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Last Chance For Wild Card/Dark Horse Dem VP Prediction

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by serious black, Aug 19, 2008.

  1. serious black

    serious black Contributing Member

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    I hope you are right. I am sick and tired of guessing.
    Here's to Reed, Sebelius, Clark or Bradley
     
  2. Deckard

    Deckard Blade Runner
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    Here's to getting it over with, so we can unite behind whoever the hell it turns out to be.





    Impeach Bush/Cheney.
     
  3. Batman Jones

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    Today alone I have become convinced, at different times, that it was 'probably' Biden, Reed, Sebelius and Clinton.

    Major props to the Obama campaign for keeping it under wraps this long and ratcheting up excitement.

    Today is the first day during this entire process that I'd give a slight edge to Clinton. At this point I think she's the only candidate whose announcement would add momentum rather than losing it or leveling off.

    I know he doesn't want her for VP, but if he does this I predict he'll be up by 15% by the end of the convention and won't trail or be tied again.
     
  4. Batman Jones

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    Two caveats to my post above.

    1. I give a slight edge to Clinton only if Biden's "I'm not the guy" quote turns out to be true and he actually isn't the guy.

    2. My prediction about the pick and resulting momentum is from the perspective of someone who is more prone to worry than Obama himself. Obama is the slow and steady. And he doesn't panic easy. He will only make this pick if he feels he has to and I kind of doubt he feels he has to do anything in particular right now. He probably likes his position right now better than any other Democrat in the country.
     
  5. glynch

    glynch Contributing Member

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    Batman, are you kidding wrt to Clinton?

    I really do think that there is too much delay and that it becomes counter-productive. Picking one of the safe three does seems a bit of a let-down after all the hype.

    Don't you think that waiting till Friday overplays the excitement aspect.
     
  6. Batman Jones

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    I'm not kidding. I think a Clinton pick has a lot of very, very real negatives. And I think there are even more problems for her as the actual VP than as the VP candidate. But I think there are some very real positives too. Especially given the sorry sore loser aspect of so many of her supporters as well as her spiteful husband.

    I think it would be a shame if she was picked because it would be a case of rewarding the very bad behavior that led to the small but meaningful schism in the party. But ultimately I think she gains Obama more votes than she loses.

    Ultimately, I hate the pick but I can't argue anymore with the cold logic of it.

    As for whether waiting til Friday overplays the excitement aspect, I don't think so at all. Until he announces, barring some major unforeseen story, Obama owns the news cycle. And the media's not having any trouble coming up with rumors to feed it.
     
  7. serious black

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    I will eat my hat if it is Clinton.
    I really haven't a clue who it will be but am leaning towards Sebelius or Reed. Reed if he wants a safe pick, Sebelius if he wants a splash. I suppose Kaine still has a shot but have been leaning away from him ever since he basically announced he had been picked.
     
  8. Batman Jones

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    I hope you're right.

    I don't think Kaine or Bayh is even in the running anymore.

    And I kind of doubt Reed is exciting enough after all the hype, but I'm probably overestimating the importance of that.

    I'd be happy with Reed though and very very happy with Sebelius. I'd be very happy with Clark too.

    Then again, I'm having a really hard time believing Biden's actually out of the picture.
     
  9. Ottomaton

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    If its Clinton, after you eat your hat, digest it, and poop it out, I will eat the poop; that is how shocked I would be. My suprise level at Clinton would be just a notch below Obama anouncing Dick Cheney or the Pope as VP.
     
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    ^I am totally holding you both to your promises here if Clinton's the one.
     
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    After all the hype, I don't think you can send emails and text messages to a bunch of people who's collective response would be "who?". I think that's what you'd get with Reed. I still think Biden/Sebelius are the top two options. I agree that Bayh's out. Kaine, you never know, but I don't think he's in it.

    If it's not one of those four, it has to be a national name. If it was just emails, you could pick some random person and list out the rationale, biography, etc. With text messages, you've got to immediately excite them with just the name. That's Gore, Clinton and I guess Clark/Kerry/etc. But it would have to be someone nationally recognizable, I would think.
     
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    Tony Zinni!

    Not a Washington insider, former Republican supporter, and no one has more cache in the middle east than that guy. Colin Powell included.

    And as an aside, Tom Clancy's Battle Ready is a great read.
     
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    Maybe we should move this to the Hangout?

    I am now officially rooting for Clinton as the VP nom. :D
     
  14. serious black

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    Reed is exciting because he hasn't been on a lot of lists and he is a five foot seven paratrooping Army airborne captain/Harvard Law grad/West Point professor that possessed the same judgement that Obama did and voted against the war when everyone else was for it. Plus he's been in Congress for 17 years and is way, way cool on just about every issue and his specialty is housing. Personally, I am more excited about Reed than anyone else.
     
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    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    I've been Biden from day one, it gives him everything he needs. andrea mitchell say's if fifty/fifty its him. they look great together. biden gives him that edge he needs with white working class. unlike hillary who made herself into a beer/and a shot candidate, this is biden's calling card, plus his foreign policy experience. and for all the criticism obama gets for being to cerebral biden is the straight shooter. its perfect, just do it

    i wish he would have run for president in 04. really like this guy
     
  16. Batman Jones

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    You might be in luck, pgabriel. (You too, KingCheetah.)

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/08/19/biden-source-downplays-vp_n_119964.html

    Biden Source Downplays VP Denial
    August 19, 2008 07:23 PM

    How big a deal is today's veepstakes comment from Sen. Joe Biden that "I'm not the guy"?

    A figure familiar with Biden's thinking says the remark is hardly consequential.

    "That is a comment that he typically gives for people who ask about [the vice presidency]," the source said, adding that it has been the senator's stock answer to the question for weeks now.

    In other words, let the speculation continue.
     
  17. Deckard

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    We've now entered The Twilight Zone, folks! Hell, even I don't think it will be Clinton. :eek:


    I still think the announcement is tomorrow morning.




    Impeach Bush/Cheney.
     
  18. serious black

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    I don't buy it. The way I figure is that the pick hasn't been told they are the pick but Daschle, Biden, Bayh, Clark, maybe Kaine and a few others have gotten the phone call that thanks them for applying but says they are going in a different direction. Biden, being a loudmouth, just can't keep that to himself. At least that's what I figure.
     
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    He's apparently been giving the same answer for weeks - it just never got attention until today because of the fever-pitch speculation.
     

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