Larry Flint claims Trent Lott resigned to avoid gay scandal.

You gotta be kidding? I can see that it's different, but isn't there something hypocritical about being something in secret in spite of your pronouncements that "there's nothing wrong with it (Seinfeld reference)."

I prefer to think that I am finding nuance in those bold proclamations that your side wants to make about Republicans being hypocrites. To not see and draw distinctions between party and person is obtuse. To justify an untransparant life which equally calls to mind shame and guilt really is facade.

BTW, engaging in homosexual behavior is not inconsistent with being against homosexual marriage. Most of these guys who trip up here are married and may be bisexual rather than homosexual. There are conventional reasons for opposing gay marriage-- even some gay people agree to those.

 

1. Which of these guys is particularly religious?
2. Which of these guys has tried to marry their homosexual partner? or claim health benefits? or retirement benefits?

 

Uh, no? How does being both closeted and publicly supporting homosexuality make you a hypocrite? Coming out isn't easy and painless, so if someone doesn't want to deal with the hassle, I don't see how it's hypocritical if they're not condemning homosexuality.

Hypocrisy is when you're a closeted homosexual and you make publicly condemning homosexuality, or aligning yourself with people who do.

Uh, I am drawing distinictions between the parties. One of them regularly bashes homosexuals in their political discourse, the other doesn't. Believe me, I wish Democrats would be even more progressive in regards to gay rights, but they're not the ones complaining about a mythical "homosexual agenda" or daring to suggest that homosexuality is immoral and damaging our country. The Republicans are.

I'm well aware that engaging in homosexual acts doesn't mean you're pro-gay marriage, or hell, it doesn't even make you a homosexual! I'm also aware that there are "conventional" reasons for opposing gay marriage (which for the record, I find incredibly weak and facile), but we're not talking about gay marriage, are we?

 

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The call guy being discussed already said nothing happened with Lott. Lott doesn't seem like the type, anyway...

 

Who is/are the openly gay Senator(s)? But the answer about the GOP is they don't. Jim Kolbe was the only openly gay Republican Congressman to be elected, and he retired at the end of his term in January.

 

Jon Tester seems like he would be a good bear...or maybe power bottom.

 

Barney Frank for the Dems. Gerry Studds was openly gay, though he has passed away.

 

Frank and Studds (title of an adult film) were never U.S. Senators. I don't think Frank will ever win a statewide election.

 

pastor ted haggert?

and doesnt george bush claim to be religious too?

 

Gay or straight - the reason why Trent Lott resigned was to avoid ethical rules which would have delayed him from cashing in on his years of public service by becoming an extremely well compensated lobbyist. He doesn't come from moeny and is not independently wealthy- a rarity among congresmen today, so he's going to cash in at the K-street trough. I don't blmae him I guess but it's pretty clear this is what he's doing.

 

I thought I said senators or congressmen, I may have used 'and' by mistake. If so I apologize.

 

Yes we were; that was one of the constructs of the charges of hypocrisy: being homosexual and not supporting homosexual rights.

 

One private citizen and one elected official about which NOTHING can be substantiated but ugly rumors.

 

Perhaps if he had saved all that money he spent on his rumored escorts....

 

hypocrisy
noun
1. an expression of agreement that is not supported by real conviction

I'd say that if you are a homosexual and argue for various homosexual civil rights but don't publicly acknowledge your own homosexuality that that is in the very least LAME and, by this one definition, is also hypocritical.

Hypocrisy has a sacred and a profane profile both.

 

1. well, the republican party in general but there are specific cases such as larry craig...

2. im sure there are plenty of closeted democratic homosexual politicians. however, the difference lies in the fact that the democratic party has taken more liberal stances concerning gay rights. thats why if a closeted democratic politician were to come out, people would just say whatever. however, if a closeted republican politician were to come out, people would be stunned and call it hypocracy.

 

2 words... family values...

what happened to the republican party being the party of family values? foley, craig, and maybe lott???

 

one private citizen who just happened to be the head of the largest evangelical association in the country and had a weekly conference call w/ the president and one elected official who planted a gay male hooker in the white house press corp to field him softball questions and allowed said gay male hooker to visit the white house over 200 times.





look familiar???

 

Again, Party Politics is about compromise.

People are Republicans or Democrats or Greens or Libertarians because most of the positions of those parties line up with their personal positions. I'm pretty sure that each of those parties has prominent members who depart from the party line.

The other phenomena is, of course, that the party of Family Values is a good place to hide if you have ulterior initiatives because that is the "last place" folks would look for you.

How ridiculous and bold is it that Mark Foley held the position he did?

Most politicians are just pimping for their own consitutuents and for themselves of course.

 

a better question would be to ask how ridiculous and bold it was that the republican leadership knew about his penchant for teenage boys and allowed him to sit on the committee for missing and exploited children.