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[Larry Coon] Houston cap situation

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by OTMax, Apr 3, 2013.

  1. supermang

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    No thats not how it works. Under the new CBA a S&T player only receives the extra year and higher raises if he signs with his current team. It would only benefit the player to agree to a S&T if he wants to go to a team that is over the cap, otherwise he would have no reason to agree to a S&T.
     
  2. BigMaloe

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    They are allowed just not to teams paying the tax... Houston in reality could engage a SnT for Howard because we are under the cap, but there is absolutely no benefit in doing so because you can't get an extra year out more money... You basically trade players away to receive Dwight at the same exact money you could sign him to outright....

    Otoh, lakers cannot receive any player via SnT because they are over the cap...

    SnT will be ancient history, except for in extreme rare cases...
     
  3. REEKO_HTOWN

    REEKO_HTOWN I'm Rich Biiiiaaatch!

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    I'm sure Asik could fetch plenty of capspace if they were sure to get Howard. Dumping him for draft picks and half his salary in players seals it.
     
  4. sirbaihu

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    I prefer Asik to Howard. Howard sells more tickets though.
     
  5. Joe Joe

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    If it is just to sign Howard, Rockets can do many more things before trading Asik for cap space.
     
  6. jeffyisme

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    It's really too bold for me to question Mr. Coon, but I thought Parsons' contract next year is not a team option, but rather than a partially-guaranteed contract that has already been guaranteed for 600K?

    Plus, by waiving all the non-guaranteed contract & declining team options to maximize the team's cap space this off-season, the Rockets would essentially have no bench at all. If that means signing a player to a maximum contract, Morey will then have only one choice available to sign players: veteran's minimum exception. That doesn't make sense.

    (Players' non-guaranteed contracts waived & team options declined still count against the cap because teams still hold their bird rights. the Rockets would have to renounce all the bird rights to regain the cap space.)

    I sincerely doubt that (waving all the players whose contracts are not guaranteed next season, maybe except Parsons') will happen.
     
  7. KiwiRocket

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    Im not keen on trading Asik at all. Id rather Lin or TRob be traded to be honest, finding defensive bigs like Asik aint easy. Specially on his type of contract. Absolute steal IMO.
     
  8. rolyat93

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    Lmfao at even mentioning Garcia's TO. Might as well list him as a free agent cuz there's no way Morey picks up that option.
     
  9. jeffyisme

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    Yes. under the new CBA, the contract for sign-and-trade can only be four years with annual raise 4.5% maximum. It's far less attractive, than the previous CBA, for players to agree to sign-and-trade deals unless the receiving team doesn't have enough cap space.
     
  10. Furious Jam

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    It would be easy for Morey to find a taker for Asik's and Robinson's contract. A lot of teams would probably take back White's contract too to get Asik.
     
  11. teebone21

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    nope. Houston would have to trade asik just to have enough $ to sign Dwight. CP3 gets max deal to you know. you have to go into TAX if you want both
     
  12. Nook

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    Morey does have plenty of flexibility. He can move any number of players to create more cap space if it is necessary.
     
  13. larsv8

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    Meh, just drop Lin on a cash strapped team and run Beverly / Brooks.

    Done and done.
     
  14. Rocketboi

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    if we do get Howard, that woulnt be such a bad idea, because Brooks and Beverly have three range that Lin does not. we saw how effective this can be when D12 was in Orlando, but the question is, who the fook would want jeremy lin with a brand new contract
     
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    No. You may have to go over the cap to get both but not into the tax. And...we could carve out enough room to sign both guys outright. You trade away Asik/Lin/TRob/TJones for essentially future draft picks. Sign both guys and keep Parsons and Beverley.
     
  16. larsv8

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    Any small market team would. Lin is a cash cow and will bring in revenue.

    Take a team like Milwaukee who will probably lose Jennings to a stupid contract they don't want to match.

    Lin for Udoh or Henson, or heck even Ish Smith would create the cap room we would need.
     
  17. jeffyisme

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    There is one difference, though. The max the Rockets can offer to free agents ranges from $16.7 million to $18.2 million, according to Larry Coon.

    By making a sign-and-trade deal for Howard, the starting salary for him can be as high as it's allowed - 21.5M, 105% of his 2012-13 salary.

    He will not have the maximum money: starting at 21.5M, 5 years with 7.5% raise annually. But it's still more than the Rockets can offer to him as a free agent: 18.2M, 4 years with 4.5% raise annually.

    staying with the Lakers:
    21.5M, 5 years with 7.5% raise annually.

    sign-and-trade with the Rockets:
    21.5M, 4 years with 4.5% raise annually

    signed by the Rockets as a free agent:
    18.2M, 4 years with 4.5% raise annually.

    That's a 30-million-dollars difference. I think he'll stay.


    The new sign-and-trade, apron restrictions are really complicated, but my understanding is that, technically the Lakers can still make sign-and-trade deals.

    http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q89

    "Starting in 2013-14, the team receiving the player cannot be above the "apron" ($4 million above the tax level) after the trade"

    The player, who is signed and traded, can not go to teams that are over the apron (approximately 74M). Assuming it's a Howard <-> Asik deal, Howard is signed and traded to the Rockets. We are not above the apron. The Lakers are over the apron but Asik himself is NOT signed and traded, so the trade is legal.
     
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    I think the obvious deal starter if both Dwight and Paul decide they want to team up with Harden would be to flip Asik/Lin/TRob to BOS for Rondo and either Terry or Lee or possibly Jordan Crawford (expiring), Fab Melo, and Boston's first rounder. Then you hold an auction for Rondo and whoever else and you trade them off to the team that gives you no salary and the most picks in return for Rondo. There's your cap space to sign both guys plus you've got a load of draft picks to round out the roster in the future with youngsters surrounding your Big 3. This is one of the dreams I go to bed with every night.
     
  19. larsv8

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    Paul AND Howard is not feasible in my opinion.
     
  20. jocar

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    Coon sounds like he's trying to convince Dallas and Houston to give up on getting Howard, and vice versa.
     

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