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Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by MadMax, Oct 22, 2008.

  1. ling ling

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    http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=10624

    A McCain "Win" Will Be Theft, Resistance Is Planned

    If your television declares John McCain the president elect on the evening of November 4th, your television will be lying. You should immediately pick up your pre-packed bags and head straight to the White House in Washington, D.C., which we will surround and shut down until this attempt at a third illegitimate presidency is reversed.
     
  2. flipmode

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    haha. disregard that. self fail.

    lightning : thunder.
     
  3. DaDakota

    DaDakota Balance wins
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    Our elementary held a mock election yesterday for 3rd, 4th, and 5th graders, and the returns are in:

    Obama: 188
    McCain: 142

    I am so proud.

    DD
     
  4. FranchiseBlade

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    That kind of activism is a great thing. I'm sure this is some insignificant group with small numbers of people who would actually participate. I would love it, if a mass movement actually followed through on this.
     
  5. rimrocker

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    New state polls...

    McCain has to have Ohio and WV and at least one of VA or NC... to go along with FL, PA, IN, and MO.
     
  6. Rocket River

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    Recording a new RoboCall?

    Rocket River
     
  7. OddsOn

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    Well given the fact tha Zogby is a known socialist / communist this doesn't surprise me. Sounds like another Dewey beats Truman moment to me... :)
     
  8. basso

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    i agree about Ohio, but there are several plausible scenarios where McCain could lose VA, NC, or both, and still win.
     
  9. rimrocker

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    There's no realistic scenario where he can lose both VA and NC.

    Assuming he wins NV, MO, IN, FL, OH, WV, and PA, McCain still needs either NC or VA to reach 270.

    For him to skate by without either VA or NC, he would have to win both CO and NM in addition to NV, MO, IN, FL, OH, WV, and PA.

    If he doesn't win PA, he has to win NV, CO, MO, IN, FL, OH, WV, VA, and NC.

    The RNC has already pulled out of CO and NM, so... McCain absolutely has to win PA and one of VA or NC... as well as MO, IN, OH, WV, and FL.

    His chances of threading the needle are slim.
     
  10. IROC it

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    Attempt to keep people at home? Reverse psychology?


    The traditional voters (strongly GOP) will still show up and vote.


    This prediction may hurt the landslide's chances. Just wondering if that is what Lil' Pun is alluding to.


    That, or maybe a preemptive mudslide is coming first.
     
  11. basso

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    i have him winning 273-265.
     
  12. mc mark

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    is that the real math?

    ;)
     
  13. rimrocker

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    So you have McCain winning NV, MO, IN, OH, PA, WV, NC, and FL.
     
  14. basso

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    no...
     
  15. rimrocker

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    OK, which states do you have McCain taking that gets him to 273?
     
  16. CBrownFanClub

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    Totally agree, McCain win by at least that much.

    In other news, I am interested in whether or not you would like to bet on that, provided I could dig up a bet-happy Obama enthusiast who would be up for sort of thing. I bet I could find one to give you 50 electoral points, in fact.
     
  17. CBrownFanClub

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    Le Bec Fin would be a nice place to dine with Mexican Industrialists in Philly. If you're in Pittsburgh, i got nothin'.
     
  18. Major

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    Good luck getting a straight answer...
     
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    http://www.rasmussenreports.com/pub...rasmussen_swing_state_polling_october_19_2008

    FOX/Rasmussen Swing State Polling - October 19, 2008
    Monday, October 20, 2008



    Overview

    Fox News/Rasmussen Reports polling this week in Colorado, Florida, Missouri, North Carolina, and Ohio shows a slightly improved situation for John McCain compared to a week ago. However, the underlying dynamic of the race still favors Barack Obama.

    The biggest change is found in Florida where it’s now essentially even with McCain at 49% and Obama at 48%. A week ago, Obama was up by five points and the week before he held a seven-point lead. The current polling shows McCain’s support at its highest level since mid-September.

    McCain also moved slightly ahead again in Ohio with a 49% to 47% advantage over Obama. A week ago, those numbers were reversed and Obama had the two-point advantage. As in Florida, the current poll shows McCain at his highest level of support since mid-September.

    But, it’s hard to classify Ohio as anything but a pure toss-up—four straight weekly polls have found McCain and Obama within two points of each other or closer. During that time, neither man has topped 49% support or fallen below 47%. Average the four polls together and the candidates are within half-a-point of each other.

    North Carolina has drifted slightly in the opposite direction. Obama now leads in the Tar Heel State 51% to 48%. A week ago, the candidates were tied in a state that hasn’t voted for a Democrat since 1976.

    Missouri has also drifted a bit towards Obama. The Democrat now leads in the Show-Me State 49% to 44%. Both last week and the week before, Obama held a narrower advantage, 50% to 47%. The survey was conducted the day after Obama attracted 100,000 people to a rally in St. Louis and 75,000 to a rally in Kansas City.

    There’s little change in Colorado where Obama leads by five, 51% to 46%. The previous Fox News/Rasmussen Reports survey was conducted two weeks ago and found Obama up by six.

    Overall, these results are a bit better for McCain only in that he has overcome deficits to draw even in Ohio and Florida. However, all five of the Battleground States were carried by George W. Bush four years ago and are considered must-win states for McCain.

    The results are also consistent with national polling showing that the race might have tightened just a bit over the past week. The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll has generally shown Obama up by four or five points nationally during the past week. Prior to that, Obama had consistently enjoyed a five-to-eight point lead.

    Still, despite McCain’s gains in key states and in the national numbers, the overall state of the race continues to favor Obama with just over two weeks left until Election Day.

    A number of other themes emerge from the data that are worth noting:

    · Economic issues remain far and away the top priority in all states.

    · The best single indicator of a state’s preference for Obama or McCain is the question on which candidate voters’ trust on the economy. Obama is trusted by slightly more voters than McCain on economic issues in four of the five states. In Florida, 47% trust each candidate most on the economy.

    · In all five Battleground States polled this week, McCain’s net support is just one to four points better on the ballot question than it is on the trust on economy question.

    · On the question of who has the “right experience” to be President, McCain has a solid advantage in all five states.

    · The number in each state saying that McCain has the “right experience” ranges from a low of 63% to a high of 68%. The comparable range for Obama is from 40% to 46%. The biggest reason for this gap is that Democrats are divided on whether McCain has the right experience.

    · In all states but North Carolina, voters not affiliated with the major political parties are more likely to see McCain as having the “right experience.” In North Carolina, 49% of unaffiliated voters see each man as having the right experience.

    · Both candidates are viewed favorably by most voters in all five states.

    · In all five states, Obama is seen as more likely to bring about real change. The number who say he is the only candidate who could deliver on change ranges from 40% to 43% in these Battleground States. The number saying McCain is the only candidate who could bring about change ranges from 27% to 29%.

    · Between 15% and 18% of voters in each state believe both candidates could bring about real change. Between 9% and 12% in each state believe neither can do so.

    · The Battleground State surveys were conducted the day that former Secretary of State Colin Powell endorsed Barack Obama. All interviews were conducted after the endorsement was made and it is not clear if there was any impact from the announcement. In national polling, there was little immediate impact from the Powell endorsement.

    Things to Look For

    At this point in the campaign, Obama appears to be ahead in every state won by John Kerry in 2004. All of the Battleground States voted Republican four years ago.

    This means the most significant thing to watch for in the coming week is whether McCain can gain ground and take the lead in these states. To accomplish that, he will have to gain ground as the candidate to trust on the economy.
     
  20. Lil Pun

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    No answer?
     

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