WTH, when Carl was a Rocket he was God's gift to basketball and now that he's traded, he was garbage? Just because someone gets traded to another team shouldn't decrease what they did for the team, he never quit on the team like someone else did. I for one still appreciate what he brought to the table. Someone even wanted to impregnatite their girlfriend because he was a beast. That is what was so special about Scola & Landry together, one could rebound, the other got the offense. This board never ceases to amaze me, on the team, a great player, off the team, whatever. It's like ESPN or the NBA. I am a Rockets fan, but I'm also a fan of the individual players {most of them}. Didn't Landry have the most rebounds when the Kings played us.
Landry uses his athleticism in every aspect of the game including rebounding. He grabs his boards like Josh Smith. If he was taller, he would average almost 9 per game ala Smith. Boxing out doesn't matter when the other defender is athletic and quick enough to maneuver around and sky for the rebound. Landry needs to bulk up some more if he wants to box out better, but that may negatively effect other aspects of his game.
Explain Dennis Rodman than... You think he was a better athlete than people like Hakeem or Barkley? Hell no! He boxed you out, always had great position, and knew where the ball would end up.
Simmer down please. No one is calling Carl trash. The same people with negative views about him, always had negative views about him. No one is denying that he is a beast on offense. People are just debating how useful he is in other aspects of the game, such as defense and rebounding. It is funny that you mention the Kings game. Do you know how many times he got over 10 rebounds in the last 15 games? One time! How about how many times he has cracked double digits rebounding in the ENTIRE season? Just 4 times. Think about that for a second...
Sorry for the rant, it just gets very irrating to see all the griping about freaking rebounds and defense, and while those are important aspects, when he was on the court, we had other great defensive guys out there. He gave his all here and I still respect him as a player and only wish the best for him.Thanks for recap of his game performance, I wasn't trying to be a b.
No worries. We are simply debating aside from bringing in instant offense off the bench, how useful is Landry actually to us? Once teams started double teaming him, he vanished pretty fast.
It appears so. And before the trade, I would have rather unloaded Scola instead of Landry. But then I chose 8-track over cassette and betamax over VHS so my record speaks for itself.
Haha that is funny ArtV. I think the casual rocket fan fell in love with Landry because he would get a nice dunk every now and then or he scored points in bunches in a game here and there to help us win. They never looked beyond that and at his defense or rebounding. He was a hustle guy, a good team guy I will give him that, but in the end, I also believe Scola is a better overall player than Landry is. Scola will easily transition into a backup PF on this team years down the line. (If we bring in another PF) Scola going against other teams backup PFs will be great for him (and the rockets). Scola is a great team guy and hustle player that wants to win.
I still miss what Carl brought of the bench....and he's a nice guy to cheer for (everybody likes an underdog) Still.....given the state of the current Rockets team, this was the best move available and I like the little bit I've seen from Jordan Hill. Finally legit size and hustle.
Landry had a better +/- ad a better PER than scola. Secondly in the 4th when he was playing against starter he was one of the best scorers in the entire nba (35pts/48min). Trying to imply you are more observant then the casual fan without giving any facts to does not help your argument. Scola doesn't get hurt which might a good reason to keep scola.
Those guys all have longer arms. Landry 6'8 without shoes, but he has an 8'6" standing reach. That's bad for a PF. His reach is about the reach of a SG. He has less reach than the SG/SF on the Rockets and Kings. Shane Battier has a 8'9" standing reach and Ariza has a 8'11" standing reach. Tyreke Evans has a 8'8 standing reach. Elton Brand has a 9'2" reach. I don't know about the other guys, but Hakeem definitely had longer arms than Landry and had 2.5 more inches in height.
Other good undersized rebounders are Blair, 8'10.5" standing reach and Millsap 8'9.5" standing reach. I don't know of any good PF rebounders with a standing reach of 8'6.5" or less like Landry. He gives up 3-9 inches to most PF and centers.
This is true, but I still think it can only hurt your numbers to start a game against a completely fresh starting five than it is to come off the bench against second stringers or starters who have lost a little energy. It would have been interesting to see how his numbers changed if he started a good portion of the Rockets season instead of Scola.
Being a starter and coming off the bench as "instant offense" are two completely different roles. So it is comparing orange with lemon. Landry has proven that he is an efficient scorer, even as a starter. He is a good offensive rebounder, but not very good at defensive rebounding. And he needs to be better at defense in order to be a top flight PF in the league.
I agree with you completely. That was not the point being debated by BEAT LA however. Wingspan =/= Height. Landry still should be able to get more boards though, given his hops. He just needs to figure out position and timing.
Rebounding is more about desire and effort....a Guy has to want to get the ball more than anyone else and in doing so will position himself better and work harder to box out and secure the ball...
And offensive rebounding takes more effort than defensive rebounding, which is why he SHOULD be a better rebounder than he is.
