Yup, everything i have ever known about andro is that it is ONE chemical bond away from being a full blown steroid.
If you want to get technical ... it's not quite an ANABOLIC steroid. Anabolic steroids, their precursors (prohormones), sex hormones (androgens, estrogens, etc), are all specific subcategories of the chemical family of steroids (ref: wiki. So, yes, andro is a steroid. Eventhough andro's anabolic properties aren't quite as effective as true ANABOLIC steroids in the enhancement of athletic performance, the intent and purpose (or motivation) for their use by baseball players (like Bagwell) was to enhance athletic performance. So for all INTENTS and PURPOSES, these guys were using it as an anabolic steroid.
You and I both know it is not in the same class as true anabolic steroids and not nearly as effective.
ben johnson beat carl lewis in 88. obviously there were effective steroids back then. the spike in home runs in 96 can be attributed to a lot of things, mainly lack of pitching, and smaller ballparks. for example coors field, or tenrun field. remember how the astros staff had to adjust in 2000, now the size of the ball park isn't an issue.
Hey, how do peoples' heads on steroids get bigger? Does their skull get bigger? Do they grow some extra fat skin? Does their brain get bigger too?
And? I didn't say there weren't effective steroids; those have been around since the '50s IIRC. I said it's perfectly reasonable to assume that guys got bolder in their use of anabolic steroids when BALCO perfected a way to hide them from tests. The pitchers still suck today compared to the '70s, and the parks are still smaller, but the home run production ain't what it was in the late '90s. It's up from '03, but it ain't '98.
why would they care about balco perfecting a way to hide steroids? they weren't tested. edit: which brings us back to the point that everyone is suspect. bagwell's shoulder is falling apart, he has bad skin like mcguire, and he lost 30 pounds because he couldn't work out and you want me not to suspect him. because he 's your favorite player? as far as the ball parks being the same you're right, but I think players adjust, but i will concede that it could also be do to testing.
1.bagwell's shoulder is falling apart 2 he has bad skin like mcguire 3.he lost 30 pounds because he couldn't work out
Well, that was cute. Yet you've provided nothing but well-known circumstancial bull**** that can just as easily have several other causes. Let me spell it out for you, as you seem to have difficulty grasping this: You. Do. NOT. Have. Any. Proof.
I just found it cute that you couldn't formulate an independent thought & had to cut & paste pgab's post.
I'd like to believe that Bags didn't do full-blown steroids (and not just andro), but it would be foolish to rule it out as a possibility. The only good thing that can be said for his situation is that he's gone from the game without being caught doing them, so his Hall of Fame chances are likely intact without anything more than conjecture against him. Unlike, say, Palmeiro.
Well, in case you haven't been keeping up with the whole thread, this is from page 5: Now, at least to us Americans with our Bill of Rights affecting the way we think, YOU have leveled the accusation, and as such the burden of proof is on YOU, not on me. But that's all a ridiculous waste of time, as neither of us can prove a damn thing without more information. If you want to arrive at that conclusion, that's fine. Like I've already said,
See, I agree with this--it's reasonable. It would also be just as foolish to dogmatically say, "He did it. Dude is a damn juicer." We just don't know.
I never really suspected bagwell until the shoulder issue and if he did I really wouldn't care either way. bagwell, like bonds, like mcguire, is a great hitter. he has patience, has a good eye for the ball, and when he gets hot, its truly fun to watch.
