your post sounds less reasonable, a guy who's a workout warrior is gonna lose all that muscle in 6 months.
I don't think so at all. First of all, people blow it all out of proportion as if he lost 50 lb or something. I'd be surprised if he lost more than 15 lbs. And yes, going from highly regimented daily strength conditioning to *nothing* -- not even exercise on that muscle -- for a long period of time can cause some serious loss of muscle mass.
Lifting insane amounts of weights is consistent with steroid use rather than an alibi. It was at least 35, as his listed weight went from 215 to 195 (edit) to 180.
yeah but they are also generally huge when they come in the league. anyhow...i typed in bagwell and steroids and i found a couple interesting articles http://www.chron.com/content/chronicle/page1/98/08/10/supplements_2-0.html and this other one which is completely unsubstantiated probably complete rumor but still an interesting read http://www.baseballevolution.com/asher/bagwellconspiracy.html
If his work habits in the weightroom were inconsistent with his work habits in the batting cage & practice field, that might mean something. That's not the case though. Like I said before, all the speculation & whatnot is pointless. We'll never know. I love the game, the sideshow & the fingerpointing I'll leave to others.
That is ridiculous. Did Nolan Ryan use steroids, then? He lifted insane amounts of weight. Again, people act like the guy weight 275 and had 28-inch biceps. Color me surprised. But that still does not constitute proof. There is a mountain of circumstancial evidence on Bonds; for Bagwell all I've heard is the following: 1) He hit homeruns in the '90s!! (*gasp*) 2) Look, he's got acne! Steroid users get acne!! 3) He lost weight after a debilitating injury finally got the best of him and he did no weight lifting for SIX MONTHS. 4) Mark McGwire got caught using Andro. It was legal and all, but "I've been convinced ever since then." Well, that must prove it, then. I'll say it again--there is as much of a compelling that he did *not* as there is that he *did*. There are factoids that could point either way but on their own are completely inconclusive. Let my redundantly repeat my point yet again: no one can prove he *did* any more than I can prove he *didn't*. Not without inside, eyewitness reports. If someone wishes to arrive at an opinion based upon what he's seen, that's his prerogative, but I don't think there is *nearly* enough evidence to intelligently say, "He did it; there's no way he didn't do it."
Yeah, I remember that article. Bagwell's use of supplements - creatine, andro, & others - is well known.
That doesn't make any sense. Steroids don't allow you to gain more muscle through the same amount of work, the benefit is that you can work out more. Instead of 6 reps you do 12, etc... Saying that somebody works out alot tends to incriminate rather than exculpate when it comes to steroid use. That's what steroids allow you to do. That's why people take them. It's like saying somebody probably isn't stoned, they just like to eat cheetoes and have bloodshot eyes and listening to jam bands.
That's fine, we don't know, but I do know for sure is that saying "he doesn't juice, he just works out a lot" just doesn't make any logical sense.
It makes plenty of logical sense. It is not conclusive, but if you believe that Bagwell just worked out a lot, without the use of steroids, to gain his strength and muscle mass, how does that not make sense?
It doesn't make sense as an exculpatory factor n that it offers nothing that is inconsistent with steroid use - working out a lot is consistent with steroid use - that's why people use them.
why should he be treated differently. there is no positive proof that any of these guys used. edit: I really don't care if bags used or not, just like bonds he's still a great hitter.
there isn't any circumstantial evidence surrounding mcguire other than he was dragged in front of a grand jury based on a book.
Mr. Clutch is correct. The problem, and it's one made by the players union, is that now almost all "sluggers" are suspect based on the apparent guilt of a few.
Really? For one thing he refused to answer questons in front of Congress. Also his name came up in FBI investigations. "The Daily News said an informant told the paper that a California man named Curtis Wenzlaff injected McGwire on several occasions at a gym in Southern California. A former member of the gym where McGwire and Wenzlaff allegedly worked out together told the paper that he heard the two discuss steroids. According to one of the informants, who the FBI said provided credible information throughout its probe, McGwire's regimen reportedly included injecting himself in the buttocks once every three days with two testosterone substances and weekly with another. "
