What exactly does that have to do with steroids? He switched because he was a team player and a class guy. He moved to CF to accomodate Jeff Kent at 2B and later moved to LF when we got that a$$ from the Royals. Inspite of switching he was never very good at both those positions . The switch from catcher to 2B was earlier when he was young because the team wanted him to do so. His recent power surge is a result of him becoming a dead pull hitter and the Crawford Boxes. If Biggio did steroids then there is no hope for baseball.
I knew I could count on you guys. I'm guessing you'll get the flat denial coupled with the "out of context" excuse. ...something like apples and oranges, professional vs. personal life, talk shows are about opinions vs. internet like print media or some equally lame nonsense. He'll justify it somehow (please post ). Or maybe he'll take the "bigger man" route, apologize and say something like "thats what the idiots at clutchfans.net should have done."
Actually Bagwell's stats peaked in the mid- 90's while most roiders were having great years in the late '90s ealry 2000's. Then again, Caminiti had his MVR (most valuable roider) year in 1996.
Caminiti is a bad example for comparing to most people. If Caminiti found a liquid substance in a bottle labeled "Just try me" on the street, he would do it without hesitation even if it was filled with cyanide.
No name could come out as a roider that would surprise me at this point, if someone said Juan Pierre or Carl Crawford was roiding it would not surprise me at all, that said Biggio roiding wouldn't surprise me either. Also in defense of Alex Rios who someone mentioned as being caught in this thread I don't think he was busted by MLB, the poster must have been thinking of Alex Sanchez the Tigers/Marlins speedster who was busted I think for the second time and is serving a one year suspension.
agreed. i don't think biggio or even bagwell was on the juice but i wouldn't be surprised if either was. there's no question, imo, that luis gonzalez was on something. his production spike was ridiculous.
Is that right? Year R HR RBI OBP SLG +----+----+---+----+-----+-----+ 1991 79 15 82 .387 .437 1992 87 18 96 .368 .444 1993 76 20 88 .388 .516 1994 104 39 116 .451 .750 1995 88 21 87 .399 .496 1996 111 31 120 .451 .570 1997 109 43 135 .425 .592 1998 124 34 111 .424 .557 1999 143 42 126 .454 .591 2000 152 47 132 .424 .615 2001 126 39 130 .397 .568 2002 94 31 98 .401 .518 2003 109 39 100 .373 .524 2004 104 27 89 .377 .465 2005 11 3 19 .358 .380 Looks like 2000 and 2001 were his best years. Not quite late '90s. Notice the dropoff in 2002 after his first shoulder surgery and the recovery to a pretty stron Bagwell-esque year in 2003. Notice how he played hurting all year in '04 and his power numbers reflect it, until finally his shoulder fell off in 2005. So no, he didn't peak in the late 90s with the Andersons, McGuires, etc. Not that this is *proof* that he didn't juice, but again that there is as much compelling argumentation against the theory as for it, if not more. So, you get real. Or at least review the numbers to make sure your take is accurate.
DOH! My bad. I would still argue, however, that there's not much of a "peak" there. His stats look pretty consisten over his career. And most certainly, there is nowhere near the spike that guys like McGuire and Sosa had, nor lightweights like Anderson.
Barry and Jeff need to show the media their peni and end the argument that way. Steroids can't hit homeruns. The amount of research and technology that goes into hitting today is a factor too. Is that cheating or competitive advantage? Who cares how these people got their success? If they are not officially caught then it doesn't matter. I'm sure that Babe Ruth and Hank Aaron cheated at some point in some way, whether they knew it or not. The media has played Chicken Little too many times for me to care what they say anymore. I'm curious, how do ya'll justify caring about what the media says? It's witch hunt after witch hunt, sky is falling after sky is falling, and crying wolf when nothing real is there. Why isn't the public sick of it? Why do you keep turning on the news? Why do you buy everything the commercials put on the screen? What happened to the game that is played? That's the reason we care, right? The game? The media just puts on something sensational so that you get mad. Mad people don't think, they just do. Then they run an ad. Now you're buying crap you don't want at incredibly high prices because companies can't sell anything unless it's on the tv and commercials are expensive. Do you see where I'm going here? The media claimed that the year before Katrina that everyone should leave New Orleans when a lighter hurricane into the gulf and they all did, only to have the hurricane miss by 300 miles. It's no wonder that the people of New Orleans didn't flee for Katrina. They had heard the boy cry wolf too many times, but the wolf was finally there and it was a big bad wolf. It's bulls--t and I'm sick of it. The media needs to be held responsible. Wisen up and enjoy Barry's run. He's the best ball player we've ever seen in our lifetime, enjoy him. Cheer him on. If he cheated, he cheated. So what. He still hit SEVEN HUNDRED AND THIRTEEN homers. That's amazing no matter how you do it. And if he hit that many homeruns on steroids, then he was probably hitting homeruns off of pitchers who were 'using' as well. Tell the media to stuff it. Real men suck it up and play. Real winners still make it happen during the playoffs and real losers whine about who cheated because their jealous of those who did it. If you want to boo him, boo him because he's good and he doesn't play for us. Steroids has nothing to do with you and you don't KNOW for a FACT that Barry did anything at all. Don't forget that while you get mad at Barry for being good. Go Barry, but more importantly, GO STROS!!!!!!!
I agree with you on the media,but for Heaven's sake,just look at the evidence,look at Barry.Yes,it's incredible to watch a player accomplish what he has and you make a good point about the pitchers(although Bonds has had the benefit of roids,juiced balls,crackerbox stadiums,and he didn't have to hit in the 20's-70's) ,but there's a larger issue here though.It's the credibility of our national pastime.(in fact society as a whole).What is going to be acceptable?Is it anything goes?money,roids,drugs,etc. I have to take exception about guys like Aaron,Mays,and Ruth.To put Bonds in the same category as these men is a travesty.Yes,he's hit the homers,but that doesn't make him close to the player or man.I'd wager Henry Aaron has more integrity in his little finger than Bonds does in his whole body. I hear you,just sit back and enjoy the ride.Well, I can't.I love baseball and I love America and it tears at my heart to see what's happening. As far as Baggy,I would hope that he didn't,but if you looked at his body over the years,and the way he has broken down,well......
Society has become all to comfy with the lies that are routinely sold us every day.The blurred reality of moral compromise has spilled over into almost all facets of life.
What gets me is that now guys like Bagwell, who never hit 50 homers in a year, are being accused of taking steroids -- while at the same time, Albert Pooholes is lauded as the savior of baseball. Pujols is built just like Canseco, Sosa, etc., has monster power and hits for a Tony Gwynn-like average, and has had a receeding hairline since he was in his early twenties. No, no chance of steroid use THERE.
