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Lakers Roster....is it that bad?

Discussion in 'NBA Dish' started by Qball, Jul 15, 2004.

  1. RocksMillenium

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    Jason Kidd isn't the only PG in the league that can get a big guy in position to score 17 ppg. Andre Miller did a pretty good job helping Hilario and Camby score points. And Dirk may not be a dominant post presence, but he is a good post presence. He might not bang in the paint but he can hit high percentage shots. When the offense breaks down you need to get a high percentage shot and Dirk can do that. Besides, Dallas is the last team you want to compare a team to.
     
  2. Qball

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    He said good post presence AND good big guy. Key word there was "AND". He's big and he can shoot. But Dirk is not a post presence. Don't kid yourself.
     
  3. RocksMillenium

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    I should say that Dirk isn't a dominant big man but a good big man.
     
  4. RocksMillenium

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    He said good post presence AND good big guy. Key word there was "AND". He's big and he can shoot. But Dirk is not a post presence. Don't kid yourself.

    You know exactly what I mean, I mean post presence and big guy, one or the other. I put AND instead of OR, that doesn't change the fact that the Lakers have nobody in the paint. The Lakers are basically the Miami Heat from last year, replacing Dwayne Wade with Kobe Bryant. And that team was basically a .500 team in the East and got destroyed up front by the Indiana Pacers in the 2nd round. Unless the Lakers pull in some pretty good post guys that team isn't going to survive an entire season in the West.
     
  5. Qball

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    Odom can and has played the 4. I consider him a better 4 than Mo Taylor. His ability to play power forward is shadowed by the fact that he is such a good passer. That's why he's considered a better small forward.
     
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    He hasn't done anything, which is why I even question him as clueless. It's still on Kupchak to bring in some size though.
     
  7. RocksMillenium

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    Odom is a better 4 then Mo, and Mo is coming off the bench for the Rockets and is considered soft. That should tell you something. How many people here have said that Mo couldn't survive as a starter in the West because he is soft? Odom is not a PF in the West.
     
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    Oh yeah, the same team, EXCEPT for that. Like that's some minor change. There are people out there who think Bryant is better than Shaq.

    A good post 'presence' (whatever that means) is not a requirement for winning. If you have a guard who's better than everyone else, including post players, you can still succeed. The off-season isn't over yet either.
     
  9. RocksMillenium

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    Difference in PFs weights alone:

    Chris Webber 245 pounds
    Tim Duncan 248 pounds
    Amare Stoudemire 245
    Juwan Howard 240 pounds
    Carlos Boozer 258 pounds
    Dirk Nowitski 237 pounds
    Lamar Odom is 220 pounds
     
  10. Rockets34Legend

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    L.A's backcourt consists of Gary "Ole' Catcher's Mitt" Payton, Kobe "Going to pound-me-in-the-ass prison soon" Bryant, Derek "Soon-to-be-traded to Seattle, Houston, etc." Fisher, and Rick "Got knocked the f**k out by Christie" Fox.

    The only upgrades in their backcourt is K. Rush, Butler, and Lamar Odom (which isn't much).
     
  11. Qball

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    What about Chris Webber. He is soft as Mo. Webber plays no defense and Odom's offense is at the same level as Webber's. I'm not sayin that Odom will be an all-star power-forward. He has the ability to play that position and from their current situation, he might have to.
     
  12. No Worries

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    Chris Webber 245 pounds
    Tim Duncan 248 pounds
    Amare Stoudemire 245
    Juwan Howard 240 pounds
    Carlos Boozer 258 pounds
    Dirk Nowitski 237 pounds
    Lamar Odom is 220 pounds


    MoTay 255 pounds (from nba.com though it seems to be at least 10 lbs. short)
    Tracy MacGrady 210 pounds
    Eddie Griffin 220 pounds
     
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  13. RocksMillenium

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    Oh yeah, the same team, EXCEPT for that. Like that's some minor change. There are people out there who think Bryant is better than Shaq.

    Can he rebound, block shots and clog the paint like Shaq and make a presence in the paint like Shaq? Just because he's better then Wade as a guard doesn't solve the Lakers problems in the paint.

    A good post 'presence' (whatever that means) is not a requirement for winning. If you have a guard who's better than everyone else, including post players, you can still succeed. The off-season isn't over yet either.

    Really? Kobe got bottled up by the Pistons, and that was WITH Shaq. What has changed? He has more Odom and Butler? Well, Indiana is a far and away more well-rounded team then the Pistons and Detroit closed them out in 6 games. Take a look at the West. How on earth are you going to get out of there without the post "presence". What does post presence mean? A big guy who can get you high percentage shots and can dominate the glass and rebound or is a force offensively. Dirk can put up points in a hurry. He isn't the post guy you want to build a championship team around though, but he is good enough to help the Mavs get into the playoffs. If the Lakers had someone like Dennis Rodman, he is a presence in the post, dominating the glass and playing defense. Is Kobe Bryant so far and away better then everyone else that the Lakers can succeed? If he is Detroit wouldn't have shut him down.
     
  14. BigM

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    lets say even if these lakers are the miami of last season that heat team wouldn't have come close to sniffing the playoffs in the west and with a west schedule. that said i think kobe leading the lakers is good enough to atleast get a playoff spot with or without a bigman. normally i'd hope he falls on his face but my support for rudy overpowers any hatred i have for the lakers and friggin kobe.
     
  15. RocksMillenium

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    Correction, I should say that Indiana was more well-rounded then the Lakers.
     
  16. Qball

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    What about Keon Clark or AK-47? Those guys can post but they're light as hell.
     
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    What about Chris Webber. He is soft as Mo. Webber plays no defense and Odom's offense is at the same level as Webber's. I'm not sayin that Odom will be an all-star power-forward. He has the ability to play that position and from their current situation, he might have to.

    Webber isn't soft at all. Webber just has a tendency to disappear in certain big games. When healthy Webber is as good and dominant a PF as their is in the game.
     
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    And Clark is still unsigned and AK is moving to the SF spot for Boozer. And, at the end of the day, Utah didn't make the playoffs.
     
  19. Qball

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    You are being so ignorant. Utah didn't make the playoffs by 2 games behind us. AND WE HAVE YAO MING!!
     
  20. No Worries

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    I will not be surprised if Rudy brings in EG to eat some of their 4 minutes.
     

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