Well, Frank, either our friends across the border cooperate, or we're stuck with a classic......Mexican Standoff.
To follow up on Sam's post this argument seems to undercut the rhetoric of those strongly concerned about illegal immigration. Its basically saying that far from this being a crisis and the Fed not doing anything it is a problem being resolved and the Fed is doing a lot. I also agree that the economy has much more to do with this. Immigration is mostly job driven.
i dont know and neither do you. the woman claims they chased her away and its plausible that while she was going for help the pirates (yarrrgh) scooped up the body and jet ski and took them back to mexico. again, just b/c there is no body doesnt make her a liar. seeing as how there have already been a few instances of pirates (yarrrgh) attacking fishermen on falcon lake i dont think you can automatically dismiss her story. until she is proven to be a liar im willing to give her the benefit of the doubt. of course you are.
Well, it's not just him, since a few months ago there were a bunch of articles in the papers about the low crime rates in most counties along the border. The rampant lawlessness along the border is disputed.
Is anyone else disappointed that the term "pirates lair" has not been used once in this story? Seriously though I feel bad for this women but I don't think we can completely drop all skepticism considering the Susan Smith case and the case in Boston where a man killed his wife and claimed that random criminals had did it.
uh.... the boarder fence was approved under W's watch. I'd consider that a wholehearted effort started years ago.
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Can you point to a single documented jet-ski hijacking on that lake in the past? thanks. PS I'm not sure if there has or has not been, just asking if you know of any. of course i am. Because it's something that's ACTUALLY TRUE BECAUSE IT IS BACKED BY EVIDENCE TENDING TO INDICATE ITS TRUTH. What side are you on - the side backed by hyperbole, conjecture and hysteria? If so, why?
I really hope the guy's fine...but I'm OK with pirates (or anyone else) attacking jet skis. It must really suck to be a lake pirate. All your pillaging and plundering confined by the shores. Landlubbers on all sides. No open seas. Not so much a sea dog as a lake puppy. Aaaaarghhhhh!
you must have been absent from "law school" the day they taught basic reading comprehension. i made no mention of jet-skis. i said "there have already been a few instances of pirates (yarrrgh) attacking fishermen on falcon lake". i dont fish so maybe im wrong, but im pretty sure you wont catch bass while jammin' out on jetskis. from post #4. as you like to tell others - "read up or shut up". wow! so all the murders, executions, mayors and police chiefs being killed, having to shut down roads in el paso b/c of a gunfight in juarez, 70 murdered central americans, almost daily gun-battles b/t gangs and military and now pirates (yarghh) are not examples of lawlessness along the mexican/american border. thats such a relief! last time i went thru nuevo laredo there were freaking tanks on the street, but that must have just been my hysteria-induced imagination running wild! everything is fine folks! sam says so!
So - let's take this step by step. Were the people out fishing on their Sea-Doos? Otherwise, you are unable to identify a single jet-ski hijacking on this lake, correct? Y/N? Again, let's take it step by step. Step 1. Are you arguing that incidences of crime in the US border region has increased from, say, 2008 to 2010? Y/N If your answer is Y - on what do you base this assessment? Step 2. Are you arguing that illegal immigration has increased or decreased from 2008 to 2010 Simple question. Incrase or decrease. Again, I ask you on what do you base your conclusion. Thanks jo, in advance, for your thoughtful response.
your reading comprehension sucks. i never claimed there were other jet-ski hijackings on the lake. i pointed to documented instances of pirates (yarghh) robbing fishermen on the lake earlier in the year. the articles have been posted for you multiple times, but you have conveniently ignored them. i have not made an argument one way or the other - again, your reading comprehension really sucks. but for anyone to claim that the usa/mexican border is some family-friendly candyland is ignorant. i am aware of the reports showing that violence on the american side went down in 08 and 09 - it was ugly for a few years (05-07) so its not surprising that things got better. but these statistics were put out before the zetas broke away earlier this year and all hell broke loose on the border. we will have to see what the numbers will look like next year, but i suspect they will go up. as you can see, raven specifically said the "usa/mexican" border. you are the one trying to just make it the american side. and yes, lawlessness is a problem on the usa/mexican border. where have i said anything in this thread about illegal immigration? here is yet another case of you trying to argue w/ someone about something they never said. pathetic, but typical. you obviously have some weird agenda here - you came into this thread 5 minutes after it was started and went off on some rant about minutemen and revolutionary war heroes. i suggest you read up on the issue at hand before further posting.
I'm not ignoring them I read them - that's why the story of a random jet-ski hijacking doesn't make any logical sense and the fact that, as you admit such an event has never previously occurred it tends to make it seem more, rather than less, improbable. Umm, yeah this argument is in response to the position that yahoos have to run around the border with shotguns shooting at brown people because the U.S.government is not " secure[ing] the border from criminal activity" Statistics indicate that this is indeed happening. Are you aware that the US government's jurisdcition over the border region is necessarily confined to US territory? That's the locus of the discussion, and the terms of debate are necessarily confined thereto. If you think it's not, then I guess you are arguing that minutemen and other morons should ride around Mexico shooting at potential lake pirates? good luck and god speed with that bit of r****dation.
You have been arguing semantics on this thread. As you realized that you were talking nonsense, you retreated to that, typical second-class lawyer trick. What difference does it make whether it was a jetski that was hijacked before or a boat? If gangsters steal a boat, why would they not steal a jetski?
Because they've never done it before!!!! If someone hasn't done something before, they aren't going to do it ever! errrr... Anyway, like I posted earlier, the police apparently have another witness who supports the woman's theory.
just b/c something has never happened before does not mean it cant. seems like one of those basic concepts they would teach on the first day of "law school". and the fact that pirates have attacked american fishermen on lake falcon makes this womans story plausible. there is clearly a precedent for pirate attacks - jetski or not. just b/c pirates have not attacked anyone on jetskis in the past does not automatically make her a liar. very poor logic on your part sam. no, you disputed the claim that the us/mexican border is a "beehive of lawlessness". all you are doing now is trying to backtrack away from your ignorant comments. you can point to all the statistics you want, but it doesnt change the facts of this story. or are you arguing that b/c statistics say that crime is down on the border that this story cannot be true? i didnt go to any fancy-pants "law school", but even i know the fallacy of that position. who in this thread has said "yahoos have to run around the border w/ shotguns shooting at brown people"? you are the primary one in this thread trying to make it an issue over minutemen, illegal immigration and crime statistics, none of which has anything to do w/ the thread topic or pirates on lake falcon. as i already pointed out, you came into this thread 5 minutes after it was started and went off on some rant about the minutemen and rednecks, all the while ignoring the topic at hand. ok - what does that have to do w/ pirates on lake falcon? raven specifically said "the us/mexican border is a beehive of lawlessness". that would include mexico. you are trying to change the goalposts here and you know it. and since the attack took place in mexican waters the "terms of the debate" should not be confined to just the american side. again, you are trying to argue w/ someone about something they never said. i have not said anything about minutemen - you are the primary one in this thread bringing them up. again, minutemen, illegal immigrants and border town crime statistics have nothing to do w/ this story and only someone suffering from a bout of "r****dation" would try to bring them into this thread.
Why do you keep putitng "Law school" in quotes? Is it supposed to be funny like when you repeated pirates-yargh (tee hee!) again? And no dumbass, they don't teach that on the first day. Have you seen "The Paper Chase"? It's burnt and hairy hand on the first day. Duh. WIth respect to minutemen and secure the border militia and "beheaadings in the desert" - it very necessarily is. Also - if you don't want to argue about the minutmen and that ilk, then I suggest you not participate in a discussion about them - I'm the one who brought it up.
