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lafrentz deal-curious on attractiveness to nuggets fans

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by DVauthrin, Feb 1, 2002.

  1. haven

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    Raef shoots the 3 better than our guards. That's the fascination. He's a dangerous jump shooter from anywhere on the floor. This opens up the lane for our guards to penetrate. Cato might be able to put back the occasional basket, but his offense isn't even close.

    As for defense, it's closer. Raef gets more blocks, but he also gets more minutes. Cato's definitely more physical, but he also gets into foul trouble more easily.

    Did you see the Magic play the Lakers? When Pat Garrity was hitting his 3's, Shaq's effectiveness was significantly reduced. Raef is a much better player than Pat Garrity.

    In combination, I think that Lafrentz and Cato would be almost perfect. One stretches the defense, the other can play the bruiser. Lafrentz can also play the 4, which is nice.

    If we had a front court of Lafrentz, Griffin, Cato, Mo, and Kenny, I think things would work out fine. You'd have to see if Kenny, Mo or Griff can man the 3 for a while. You'd have one of the best shot blocking teams in the league, and you'd also have some nice shooters. The key would be whether or not you could find enough minutes, and that would hinge on the 3 spot.
     
  2. NugzFan

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    bowen? automatic no. but ill look at the rest anyways...foyle and jackson? no thanks. overpaid and not that good. we are NOT in a position to take on role players with contracts like that to win maybe 28 games instead of 22. thats a terrible move for rebuilding.
     
  3. NugzFan

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    nice n4. hes our bullard and then some. this guy, when we get talent back, can win games. a stupid little ugly white scrub with no talent and he WINS GAMES by himself! hes already done it this year (the few wins we have). and he makes the minimum. god knows what hell ask for when hes a FA.
     
  4. NugzFan

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    i explained this like 2 posts up...its just not worth it for a few wins. teams like ours cannot give out contracts like that UNTIL they have signed their core and established a winning team. then you can bother filling in the holes.

    if the nuggets were a .500 team NOW and maybe had a chance at the playoffs, that would be a good move - get two solid big men. but right now its killer. its a bad move.
     
  5. NugzFan

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    unprotected? yes.
     
  6. NugzFan

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    take away the protection. and i wouldnt trade our pick and yours for the #1 overall. first, we are bad enough to get it ourself. second, id rather get two good players than 1.
     
  7. outlaw

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    Bowen reminds me of former Rocket David Wood. Both had marginal talent but played will a lot of heart. Eventually that runs out though.
     
  8. Nuggets4

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    I came up with a better comparison for Bowen. Chucky Brown. Bowen's one of those guys you have to watch 80-some games a year to fully understand. It's the wierdest thing, he'll come in the game, when we're down 15 or so, and the next thing you know, it's a 2 point game. He's a rarity in the NBA today, a player who plays balls to the wall every minute of every game.

    Pat Riley on Bowen: "He's the best hustling player I've ever seen in the NBA."

    I'm with NugzFan, I'd trade Raef for your unprotected first. However, I'm having trouble seeing why you guys would do it. Maybe I just don't see the value in Raef that others do. I can see where you see his potential, but I see a guy with talent who's, pardon my language, pissing it away. He's a footer who's afraid of contact. He'd rather stand at the 3 point line than post up. He doesn't always give it all on the court.

    Wow, it's wierd that Rocket fans are the ones saying all the great things about Raef and Nugs fans are the ones bashing him. :p
     
  9. enbehay

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    A la Kenny Thomas and/or Mo Taylor!
     
  10. NugzFan

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    ill bash those two if itll make you feel better.
     
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    haven,

    Do you really think Lafrentz can survive at C for a winning team? And do you really think Cato's going to continue this great play if he's splitting time with another player? I say no to both of those. Yes, he can shoot the 3 well...and can bring the other teams C out of the paint, but why not just use Eddie if we wanted to do that? Eddie and Raef are about the same body frame, both block shots well, so why wouldn't Rudy put Eddie at C if he wanted 3-pt shooting from that position, and have Mo and Kenny in at the same time?

    Raef is a good player, but dealing for him wouldn't make the Rockets a championship caliber team. Plus, the Rockets now are a good shot blocking team, with Cato and Griffin, and sometimes TMo when he's in the game. The Rockets already have almost everything that Raef can bring them, and with him on our team Cato would most likely not be happy.
     
  12. NugzFan

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    this is true.
     
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    If the Rockets are going to do a deal with the Nuggets for Raef, my guess is that it would have to be before the trade deadline and not this summer. This is because I would assume Denver would want expiring contracts plus a pick or picks, due to its impending luxury tax problems. To send Denver cap fodder such as Walt, Willis, Langhi, etc., it would have to be before the trade deadline this month. This summer, the deal would have to be a sign and trade, and the Rockets would have to send salaries equal to half of Raef's new salary (as he would be a base year player). With the Rocket's fodder already being free agents, there would only be long term contracts to trade to match salary (i.e. Moochie, etc.), which Denver wouldn't want (barring a blockbuster deal where the Rockets took cap killers Van Exel or Wahad off Denver's hands). Also, the number one pick would have already been made, so Denver would have to be happy with the player that was picked by the Rockets. Logically, the deal can only be done this month.

    If a deal is done this month, since there is an obligation to convey the Rockets' No. 1 pick to Memphis if not a lottery pick, perhaps a conditional No. 1 could be dealt to Denver. That is, the Nuggets get the Rockets' No. 1 if the Rockets do not make the playoffs this year (99% chance). If the Rockets do make the playoffs, Denver gets the Toronto pick, plus the Rockets No. 1 pick next year. In that scenerio, Memphis would get the Rockets No. 1 pick this year, and the Rockets would not have a No 1 until 2004.
     
  14. Sane

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    Nuggets fans,

    Does LaFrentz still want to bolt? Or does he want to stay now that Issel is gone?



    Because, if you have McDyess and LaFrentz, you have the main pieces of a West team. Good inside players. raef blocks shots and rebounds, so he is a defensive presence. No need to say anything about McDyess. Trust me, Abdul Wahad is a keeper. There is no way you'll find a stud SG right now. So you might as well have a great defensive player like Wahad to be able to slow them down significantly. That's 3 spots. I think if you traded your pick and Voshon Lenard or James Posey to go up 1 or 2 places in the draft, you'd be a pretty good team, right? Van Exel wouldn't be very unhappy if you had a good team like that?


    LaFrentz
    McDyess
    Player X
    Abdul Wahad
    Van Exel



    I'm a Rockets fan. I hate the Blazers. But I would seriously think of trading Van Exel to the Blazers for Stoudamire, without giving up LaFrentz somehow. Something like this might even be workable:

    LaFrentz
    Van Exel
    Cap Filler

    for

    Dale Davis
    Derek Anderson (VERY resonable contract)
    Damon Stoudamire


    Portland have been rumoured to be interested in LaFrentz, whose contract is not long. Derek Anderson can play the 3 spot for you, and isn't getting many minutes, and isn't making a lot of money (4.5M?). Don't look at Stoudamire past two seasons. You just simply don't go from being a 20+ ppg and 8+apg player to just nothing. Don't fool yourselves into thinking Van Exel is worth more than Stoudamire. NVE is getting old, fast.


    Davis
    McDyess
    Anderson
    Wahad
    Stoudamire

    Kinda small, but it's got everything.


    LaFrentz
    Wallace
    Pippen/Patterson
    Wells
    NVE



    not bad I think, right?
     
  15. NugzFan

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    also remember, if the nuggets key motivation to trade is to save cap space, why dont we just let raef walk. thats the best way. there has to be at least another reason to make us do a trade (e.g. picks, like you mentioned)
     
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    Mo Taylor, Walt, Langhi for LaFrentz, Scott Williams, George McCloud works in RealGM.

    That way, the Nuggets would get a good PF for LaFrentz instead of just letting Raef walk.

    What do you think, Nuggets Fans?
     
  17. NugzFan

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    kinda changed lately with issel gone, but hes still frustrated. important point is that he is a RFA so we can match any offers and there are few teams w/ the cap space that can give him the $$ he wants.

    agreed on dice/raef/wahad. people think wahad is overpaid, and he is, but damn he D is good. he is worth keeping for sure.

    i would trade vo to move up but not poz. 1 or 2 spots isnt worth it.

    portland offered that. we said no.

    nice deal. id do that.
     
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    We could also throw in a 2nd round draft pick...
     
  19. NugzFan

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    no. why? cuz of mo's contract. i would rather let raef walk. mo just makes us a stinky 35 win team or so with much less cap room. whats the point?
     

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