[LA Times] "Clemens, Others Implicated in Banned Drug Case"

He always seemed a lot more lanky than bulky to me.

 

so that why pettite and clemens are such good friends

 

They all deserve the benefit of the doubt given how many questions there are about how this information came about.

 

Ditto

 

His career was dissiumulating? What years were those? 1997, when he won 21 games with an ERA of 2.05 and won the Cy Young? 1998, when he won 20 games with an ERA of 2.65? 2001, when he went 20-3 and won the Cy Young with a 3.51 ERA? Yes, his numbers did get even better upon moving to Houston... and have you looked at the incredible discrepancy between the AL and NL the last three years? Imagine that, the NL being easier to put up great numbers in than the AL... nah, that can't be, it's gotta be roids!!!!!!!

And yes, Roger's a little heavier now. Imagine that, a man entering his mid-40s picks up a slightly different body type than he had earlier in his career. That would never happen! It's gotta be roids!!!!!

 

What do you expect his legs to look like, he is 6'5" tall and 225, maybe 225lbs+.

Should Pettitte have petite legs in the absence of enhancing drugs

 

Why don't any of our hitters use steroids? We could use the extra firepower on offense.

 

so that's why the mets suck

lololololololzolozlolol

 

no ****, you can exempt 99% of our offense this year from any steroid accusations

 

Clemens and Pettitte both eat HEB beef which contains Bovine Growth Hormone residue and this is why they are pumped up along with their training. Plus any HEB milk they drink.


*HEB is being used here because of the Clemens/Pettitte ads, but this is not limited to HEB as all grocery stores are the sales and distribution of these products.

 

One is a guy with anger problems, a big fastball, and is one of the biggest players in the game who pitches at a level never seen before at his age. The other is his workout partner who one year mysteriously gained several MPH on his fastball and has had his share of ligament injuries since then. Not totally surprised.

http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-clemens1oct01,0,6499528.story?coll=la-home-headlines

http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1208/is_13_224/ai_61573760

 

Easy. I still give Tejada the benefit of the doubt. We all pretty much stood by Palmeiro until he tested positive after his performance at the congressional hearing. A lot of that alo has to do with history. Tejada, Clemens and Pettitte have continued to play well while Sosa is out of the game, Bonds admitted it, Canseco admitted , Palmeiro tested positive and Mac's act at the Congressional hearing was pathetic. That's why they get the benefit of the doubt

Grimsley is saying that he didn't mention certain names. With him flip flopping one can easily question his credibility. Nobody is taking shots at Sheffield either. Why, no proof. That's why they get the benfit of the doubt. Innocent until proven guilty bro. There's why

 

Albert Pujols' personal trainer has been under just as much heat as McNamee. Funny how the media never played up that angle, though. It was simply a mention in an article on Deadspin.

http://www.deadspin.com/sports/baseball/so-weve-got-some-affidavit-names-179400.php

Grimsley says that a former employee of [redacted] and personal fitness trainer to several Major League Baseball players once referred him to an amphetamine source. Later, this source -- not the trainer -- provided him with "amphetamines, anabolic steroids and human growth hormone." This trainer? His name is Chris Mihlfeld, a Kansas City-based "strength and conditioning guru." (And former Strength And Conditioning Coordinator for the Royals.)

Does Mihlfeld's name sound familiar? If it doesn't, he -- and we assure you, this gives us no pleasure to write this -- has been Albert Pujols' personal trainer since before Pujols was drafted by the Cardinals in the 13th round of the 1999 draft.

But, because it was Pujols and not Clemens, this was quickly swept under the rug. I'd also like some evidence of Pettitte's supposed "mysterious" velocity gain... I'd never heard of it before and it's nowhere to be found in numerous internet searches. Surely this can't be part of a wild conspiracy theory, could it?

 

It's just a bunch of gossip mongers bro. It's sad that Clemens and Pettitte can't get the benefit of the doubt on our own board. Sad

 

Dude. YOU are freakin' awesome.

 

Grimey?

 

who cares anymore???

at this point, it's painfully obvious that a very large percentage of players are using some sort of performance enhancing drugs.... it all balances out. what difference does it make if 70% of the batters clemens and pettitte face are juicing too?

hell, they'd be at a distinct disadvantage if they didn't use them.

it's all relative at this point.

 

maybe you can write "Roger *lemens, steroids user" in your sig and that'll prove it isn't really true to everyone reading.


after clemens two huge toronto years, his ERA was 4.60, 3.70, 3.51, 4.35, 3.91 in his last five years with the yankess (all of which appear to be full, relatively injury-free years). that 3.70 was 2nd in the AL actually, but aside from 3.51 being 9th the next year, none of the others were top 10. then he comes to houston and becomes the best pitcher in the major leagues with 2.98, 1.87 (1.87!), and 2.30 this year. he's making johan santana look like a chump. now would being in the national league help ones absolute stats, yes. but how do you go from nice, but slipping pitcher in the AL to the absolute best in the NL? the NL sucks at hitting, but they still have some nice pitchers who you would think clemens would fit into around the same relative position he held in the AL.

now maybe clemens really didn't do anything, maybe he's completely clean. but when barry bonds went from putting up really good numbers to suddenly becoming babe ruth plus, people started thinking steroids pretty quickly, even before all the BALCO stuff came out. now clemens has gone from nice numbers to historic numbers at the ages of 43 and 44 in the middle of the steroids era and being suspicious is somehow crazy? and now he's actually been named and it's just a witchhunt? as if grimsley just made some names up and isn't just saving his own ass by trying to backtrack off remarks he thought would never get out. now maybe grimsley was acting off bad info, but i don't doubt he named those names.

i hope all this doesn't make it now less likely that either or both of clemens and pettitte will come back next year b/c we need those roiders on our pitching staff.

 

So guilty by association huh...I'm sure this trainer has plenty of clients, are we to just assume that because he provided peformance enhancing drugs to one athlete that he provided them to all?

Give me rock-solid proof instead of this he said/she said bulls**t.

Palmeiro waving his finger in front of a congressional committee, then actually getting busted, then retiring...that's some pretty hard evidence.

 

Clemens, Pettitte deny drug accusations
Astros pitchers react to allegations in affidavit by former reliever Jason Grimsley


By JOSE DE JESUS ORTIZ
Copyright 2006 Houston Chronicle

ATLANTA - A day after a newspaper named Andy Pettitte and Roger Clemens as players accused of using steroids in an affidavit former reliever Jason Grimsley gave federal agents, Pettitte and Clemens vehemently denied the validity of the accusations.
“I’m stunned, obviously,” Pettitte said about the Los Angeles Times report that was posted online late Saturday night. “I don’t really know what to say. I played with Grimsley for a couple years in New York obviously. Had a great relationship with him. I never worked out with him before or anything like that away from the field other than just being in the weight room together whenever we were home.

“Obviously it’s embarrassing any time your name gets brought up with something. It’s embarrassing.”

Clemens was equally adamant in his denial.

“I’m not embarrassed at all,” Clemens said. “I’m angry about it. It shouldn’t happen. The assumptions that are out there, I just don’t understand it. I don’t understand how people can do that and get away with it. I really don’t. I don’t know how you can just on assumption or hearsay just throw it out there and it’s fact.”

Grimsley played with Pettitte and Clemens in 1999 and 2000 with the New York Yankees, but Pettitte and Clemens said they didn’t work out with Grimsley other than if they were in the weight room together in the Yankees’ clubhouse.

Not long after federal agents raided Grimsley’s home in June, rumors throughout baseball circulated that Grimsley had named Pettitte and Clemens in his affidavit.

After hearing the rumblings, Pettitte actually went online and read through the 20-page affidavit. The names of the six players who were in the affidavit were blacked out when the affidavit was released to the public in June.

“I think that there is so much hearsay,” Pettitte said. “Obviously these (affidavit) reports came out, I think, four or five months ago. I was able to go online and look at the affidavit. To tell you the truth, I would have bet my life that there was no way possible that my name could even be on the affidavit. As far as I’m concerned, there is so much hearsay it just to me doesn’t hold a lot of water.”

Pettitte stood by his own word and didn’t try to distance himself from a friendship with Grimsley. Moreover, Clemens and Pettitte stood firmly by their relationship with former Yankee trainer Brian McNamee, whom the Los Angeles Times reported was named in Grimsley’s affidavit. McNamee first worked with Clemens when the veteran righthander played with the Toronto Blue Jays.

“According to the 20-page search warrant affidavit, signed by IRS Special Agent Jeff Novitzky, Grimsley told investigators he obtained amphetamines, anabolic steroids and human growth hormone from a source recommended to him by former Yankee trainer Brian McNamee,” the Los Angeles Times reported.

Pettitte still remains in contact with McNamee, who was actually at Osceola County Stadium in February helping Clemens get ready for the World Baseball Classic.

“I talk to Mac once a week,” Pettitte said. “Obviously he doesn’t do anything for me right now. Mac is the greatest trainer that I’ve ever been involved with or around. He’s trained me for the five years that (he) was in New York. I hired him for the year that I was in my first year in Houston. I’ve got a great relationship with him. I still talk to him probably once a week or so. Mac’s been awesome. He’s been awesome for my career.

“That would be news to me. Mac has trained me, and trained me professionally for a long time. I will continue to use Mac to train me. He’s one of a kind.”

Clemens, 44, also defended McNamee, calling him one of the best trainers he’s had during his long career.

“As far as the training part of it and Mac, I’ve probably over my career probably had 15-20 trainers,” Clemens said. “He’s at the top of the list as being one of the best, the most intense. He’s very good at what he does. I’ll train with him any time. He gets the most out of you.

“The times he worked with different ballclubs – two of the four that I’ve worked with – he gets a lot out of you, expects a lot out of you. And he’s not one of those guys that want to hang around with you too or be around you. He wants to get your work done and get you where you need to be and be done with you.”

Pettitte and Clemens reiterated that they have passed every test Major League Baseball has administered on them to check for steroids and amphetamines. MLB’s tests cannot detect Human Growth Hormone use.

“I haven’t done anything,” Pettitte said. “I guess reports are saying that I’ve used performance-enhancing drugs. I’ve never used any drugs to enhance my performance on the baseball field before. Like I said, I don’t know what else to say except that it is embarrassing that my name would be out there with this.”

Added Clemens: “Like I told you guys before, I’ve been tested plenty of times. My physicals that I’ve taken, they’ve taken my blood work. I’ve passed every test anybody wants. Again, I find it just amazing that you can just throw anybody out there. Like I was telling Andy and some of the guys here today, I guess tomorrow they’re going to accuse us of robbing a bank. The bottom line is, like I said, if it’s not in my Frappuccino I’m all right. That’s when I’ll start worrying about it.”

At this point neither man threatened legal action, but Clemens made it clear he might consider his options if one of his many endorsement deals is hindered.

“When it’s going to take a serious turn for me is when one of my sponsors pull out or something like that,” he said. “Then somebody is going to be responsible for that. Then my lawyers will take over for me.”

Clemens finished his interview by quoting his late mother, Bess.

“Listen, listen,” he said. “Last thing I’ll say about this: My momma said never to get in a pissing contest with a skunk. It’s as simple as that.”

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/4227802.html