He's 21 and he hasn't found his role yet. Yes, obviously a bust. He's 4 years younger than your "young SG/SF" Shane Battier. BTW, he shoots better than 30% from 3pt range.
Yep and there is no way I would trade Battier for Eddie G. He does have the 'potential' to be a good player, better than Battier, but I just do not see it unless he has a big breakout this season. Also, we don't have to worry about Battier being caught with the sticky icky in the future. Watch those piss tests Eddie G.
EG is not a bust He is only 21years old and got lots of time to develop his game. And it would be absolutely wrong to trade him when we are getting a new coach. A new coach can easily make a difference. And when you look at his numbers they aren't bad at all. He plays 24mpg and averages 8ppg, 6rpg and 1.4bpg. The only thing that's bad is his shot selection. But his shots will come when he gets older and more experienced. When a new coach comes he will get new assignments and I think he will develop in to great player for Houston. If he bulks up a little bit and gets more agressive he will be something special. When you look at his minutes and you picture him playing 35mpg instead of 25, you can imagine him averaging about 12ppg and 8rpg and thats not bad at all when you got so many other shooters on this team. I expect EG to develop into a 12+ppg and almost 10rpg type of guy and that's exactly what Houston needs in the future, they don't need another superscorer when they got Francis, Yao and Cat. He got a similar game to Sheed which is his favorite player. IMO he will develop into less scoring but more rebounding and blocking Sheed.
I haven't given up on Eddie, but I'd trade him straight-up for Battier. I think Battier gives us a lot of what we lack, chiefly being a good spot-up 3pt shooter who plays good team ball.
same here! and i do believe eddie will be good in years. and hes a great support to yao on the post. with him and yao on the paint, everyone will have a hard time shooting inside. even shaq is having a hard time with that tandem. so, ill give it to eddie.
In EG's 6th year, he will be one of your favorite players. Then, you'll regret that statement. Heh...
It amazes me how many stupid idiots we have in here. Kwame has much more what you guys like to call 'Potential' than Eddie. Is quicker, stronger, more athletic, and he, contrary to what many of you in here have said, can block shots. "Kwame will never be an above average NBA player" "He has small hands" Wow, what expert analysis. Kwame has all the tools to be a great player in the league. It was simple that MJ and Doug Collins were pressuring him way too much and shattering his confidence rather than boosting it. This season he started out with 4 or 5 'dominant games' not just average but dominant. He was blocking 3-5 shots a game and averaging over 12 boards a game. But after one bad game MJ and Doug would be saying "Our young guys have to learn how to play" and yelling at him after every 'imperfect play'. When the best player in NBA history is constantly telling you how bad you are it gets to you at the age of 19. Eddie Griffin played for a players coach and he, unlike Kwame, has no heart, is not aggresive, is soft on the boards. Eddie is the player who will never be "Above Average" Kwame can develop into a strong PF that the Rockets need. Not these soft guys(Mo Taylor included). Also it amazes me when people say "We can get Kwame for less" Are you guys serious? I mean I dont know if it because Eddie plays for the Rockets and its home team pride but thats complete stupidity. Kwame holds MUCH higher market value than Eddie. Eddie is a bust and will never be good. I say we trade Cuttino and Eddie for Kwame and a first round pick. And I dont think the Wizards would do that. This is a team that gave up on Rasheed Wallace, Ben Wallace, and Chris Webber. They most likely have learned their lesson not to give up on young big guys with immense talent, who have "Dominant" potential. Eddie doesnt have the heart or style to be dominant, Kwame does. Bottom Line: If the trade was proposed the Wizards would laugh before rejecting. Throw in Cuttino and try to get a first round pick from Washington and Cross your fingers. Steve, Yao, and Kwame would officially give the Rockets the best young team in the NBA and will win them titles.
Pretend you are taking face-to-face with the people here. You'll be taken a lot more seriously, minus the direct insults. If you want to debate, fine. But, keep it sensible. Else, you be thought of as a 6 year old kid.
I agree with both sides of the debate here to some extent. I agree that Brown has more market value right now and I also agree that Griffin will be a very solid player for the Rox, who I believe will and should keep him. Eddie just finished the first season of his career where he started a substantial amount of games. To add to that, he did it EXTREMELY underweight for his position and as a sophomore 20 year old to boot. I think that he has performed admirably given his circumstances. Eddie is a very good shotblocker who could be outstanding if he had Ewing (according to rumors) as his big man coach this year. I was impressed with Eddie's game in the post over the last third of the season and as he puts on more weight (part of which will come with age), he will become a force in the paint. I think this kid has the potential to be the next Wallace (a little of Rasheed and Ben combined, I think) in the next few years. That being said, I think it is clear that I don't think the Wizards would make this trade as they believe Kwame's stock is higher than EG's, which will turn out well for the Rox as Eddie develops into OUR starting PF. Seven blocks in his rookie year, are you kidding? All right, Kwame had six in a game in his second year, but look at the stats: Kwame PPG 7.4 RPG 5.3 APG .7 SPG .63 BPG 1.00 FG% .446 FT% .668 3P% .000 MPG 22.2 Eddie PPG 8.6 RPG 6.0 APG 1.1 SPG .68 BPG 1.44 FG% .400 FT% .617 3P% .333 MPG 24.5 I guess Kwame is 2 months younger than Eddie, but he is JUST a post player. Note that Brown doesn't even have a 3 pt. percentage where Eddie has the ability to stretch the PF out to 3 point range. He makes a third of his threes, which is like hitting half of your twos. As he gets stronger, Eddie's FG% will go up and I hope that he will be our PF for years to come. Make sure to visit Drexler's BBQ every day so they can fatten you up, Eddie!
What amazes me is that anyone can begin with a direct insult towards the intellect of this group and then expect to be taken seriously. I also would make this trade, as I've already said, but people are making legit points. Eddie has a 3-point shot, which I doubt Kwame will ever have. Heck, he's having trouble with 2-pointers at the moment. And since we have Yao, we may want a guy who can stretch the defense, like Horry did for Hakeem. Additionally, Eddie has much better shotblocking instincts, despite being shorter. Remember, insults don't help others or you in this situation, so you may want to curb that temper a bit.
First, I don't think WASH would consider this trade now. They're also going to get a new coach and he'll have a chance to turn Kwame into a stud. Kwame has some killer skills, but he needs more time on the court and MJ/Collins killed that when they went to a vet line-up to try and make play-offs. If Kwame doesn't improve this next year, then they may look to shop him. Second, let's give EG a chance! He definitely has skills, but in our guard dominant offense its tough to develop your game much. If JVG comes on board he'll whip EG into a player or convince CD to trade him. So lets give them each a year and reconvene next Spring to see whether this is a viable trade.
but but but insulting people without any other opinions in your message is cool and it makes you look really badass to everyone else. i like eddie but he was the number 7 pick and if kwame was offered, id go for it just bc of kwames huge potential that made him the #1 pick. its not like taylor couldnt start while we wait patiently for results. if eddie had the same potential as kwame, dont you think he wouldve come out after high school? eddie could be awesome tho, who knows...
I have watched both Kwame and Eddie play. No doubt you pick Kwame Brown. The guy is more active on the court, and he is a prototype PF. Brown will be at least like another J. O'neal. Eddie's 3-point ability is nice, but that's not the POINT of a PF. I would rather Eddie shoot a high percentage on his 2-pointer and does not shoot 3-pointers at all. At any time at this point, you pick Brown over Eddie. If you do not do that, you won't be a good GM.
Kwame has to be the worst #1 pick in recet history. Eddie G has way more #1 pick potential, and the only reason we got him at #7 was because of his fight in college. Kwame has rocks for hands. He cannot catch the ball efficiently. These players are NEVER succesful in the NBA. Show me a PF who is succesful but has the same hands as Kwame Brown. Eddie Griffin has been better these 2 years. That's a fact. Eddie Griffin with 20 more lbs is WAY better than Kwame with 20 more lbs, because Griffin actually HAS post moves, but he can't use them because he lacks bulk. Griffin is also the better shotblocker, and the better rebounder. Please. Griffin can average 3.5 blocks if he played 40 minutes a night.
I think the Bulls pulled a sucker play on Washington by offering Elton Brand for #1, making believe they wanted Kwame; that forced Washington (with MJ as the I-hate-Jerry-Crumbs-Krause director of basketball operations) to take Kwame, leaving Chicago free to trade Elton for #2 and Tyson Chandler, the player they really wanted.
At least Kwame Brown has the frame to put a body on Malone, Webber, and Duncan. Griffin just gets tossed aside when being posted up. Oh, and EG plays like a p*ssy, while Brown isn't afraid to fight for boards, dive for the ball, and get putbacks.
Definetly Brown. He is much more talented than Eddie. Kwame Brown is a better power forward and he can plays in the zone better than Griff. Plus he have a better body and is a potencial All-star. He have demostrated it in the few minutes he have had on the Wizards. I would trade eddie for him NOW if it's possible.
You bring up an interesting question. Right now, who would you rather have, Kwame or Tyson (or Griffin?) I guess currently I'd have to rank them 1 - Tyson 2 - Kwame 3 - Eddie
