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Kubiak's replacement

Discussion in 'Houston Texans' started by SooneRockStro, Nov 18, 2013.

  1. Spacemoth

    Spacemoth Contributing Member

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    We need two capable coordinators and a fiery leader as head coach. So what if Gruden and Cowher aren't the best X's and O's guys. At its core this is still the team that went 12-4 last year. Give them high draft picks in every round, and see what a real leader can do.

    From the top to the bottom this organization was flawed the moment it hired Gary Kubiak. We became a "nice guy" team, a team that lost close games graciously for seven years in a row. Loveable losers. Good teams kicked us around like doormats and Peyton Manning beat us over and over despite having much less talent on his team. Oh the talent was there on this team. We just don't assert our wills on games. We let bad coaches keep jobs because we are loyal to them. We hire within the family. We scratch Colorado St's back by drafting or trying out all their players, and in return Kubiak's son gets to be their QB.

    The whole organization stinks of nepotism. It's time to hire competent people. Make Morey the "consultant" ala Dan Reeves for this offseason. Fire Rick Smith and get whoever Ozzie Newsome's #2 in command is to become our GM. Then hire a leader at head coach, as big a name you can find without the ego to ask for as much say-so in the dealings of the front office as Kubiak had.
     
  2. bigtexxx

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    NOT Sumlin

    He's made a living the past 4-5 years using other coaches' recruited players, and then dash one his star leaves (Keenum). Watch him leave A&M once Johnny's gone.
     
  3. Major

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    The ability to win quickly without needing your own players seems like a plus for Sumlin, given that he'd be coming into a team with a mix of talented players. It's not like his recruiting skills are relevant at the NFL level, and if there's a good GM, then his scouting ability is not important either.
     
  4. Pete the Cheat

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    so how would that be any different than the situation he would inherit here? especially after landing a high draft pick...

    I am completely against Sumlin, just found the irony of your argument humorous
     
  5. bigtexxx

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    no my point is that he walked into a situation with some exceptional players. Manziel and Keenum. and then dashed once they left (if he leaves A&M after this year)
     
  6. Major

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    On the flipside, they were only exceptional under him - it's not like most people expected them to be great when they were recruited.
     
  7. bigtexxx

    bigtexxx Contributing Member

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    debatable

    Manziel looks to have a healthy amount of God-given talent. Keenum less so but still significant
     
  8. XIrocket

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    Sumlin is too good for the Texans...would ruin his career coming to the Texans
     
  9. DieHard Rocket

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    My short list, excluding college coaches, right now would be:

    Ken Whisenhunt (did great things in Arizona when he had a good QB, and has turned around SD's offense; just have to make sure we have that QB)
    Lovie Smith
    Greg Roman (SF OC)
     
  10. bigtexxx

    bigtexxx Contributing Member

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    NOT Kyle Shanahan

    here's a name: SEAN MCDERMOTT. Panthers DC
     
  11. Sydeffect

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    Lovie Smith
     
  12. BigVic785

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    Cowher Power, Should have been two years ago

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  13. DonnyMost

    DonnyMost not wrong
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    Lovie Smith
    Mike Zimmer
    Ken Whisenhunt
    Ray Horton
    Jay Gruden

    My top 5 (available) at the moment
     
  14. J.R.

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    NFL

    A few college names:

    Troy Calhoun(Air Force HC)(Former Texans OC)
    Chuck Amato(Akron DC)
    Nick Saban(Alabama HC)
    Kirby Smart(Alabama DC)
    Rich Rodriguez(Arizona HC)
    Bret Bielema(Arkansas HC)
    Gus Malzahn(Auburn HC)
    Pete Lembo(Ball State)
    Art Briles(Baylor HC)
    Chris Petersen(Boise State HC)
    Steve Addazio(Boston College HC)
    Bronco Mendenhall(BYU HC)
    Sonny Dykes(Cal HC)
    Tommy Tuberville(Cincinnati HC)
    Dabo Swinney(Clemson HC)
    Chad Morris(Clemson OC)
    David Cutcliffe(Duke HC)
    Will Muschamp(Florida HC)
    Ron Turner(FIU HC)
    Jimbo Fisher(Florida State HC)
    Jeremy Pruitt(Florida State DC)
    Tim DeRuyter(Fresno State HC)
    Mark Richt(Georgia HC)
    Mike Bobo(Georgia OC)
    Todd Grantham(Georgia DC)
    Jeff Jagodzinski(Georgia State OC)
    Paul Johnson(Georgia Tech HC)
    Ted Roof(Georgia Tech DC)
    Norm Chow(Hawaii HC)
    David Gibbs(Houston DC)
    Kirk Ferentz(Iowa HC)
    Paul Rhoads(Iowa State HC)
    Charlie Weis(Kansas HC)
    Dave Campo(Kansas DC)
    Skip Holtz(Louisiana Tech HC)
    Mark Hudspeth(Louisiana-Lafayette HC)
    Charlie Strong(Louisville HC)
    Les Miles(LSU HC)
    Cam Cameron(LSU OC)
    Randy Edsall(Maryland HC)
    Brian Stewart(Maryland DC)
    Al Golden(Miami HC)
    James Coley(Miami OC)
    Brady Hoke(Michigan HC)
    Al Borges(Michigan OC)
    Greg Mattison(Michigan DC)
    Mark Dantonio(Michigan State HC)
    Pat Narduzzi(Michigan State DC)
    Gary Pinkel(Missouri HC)
    Les Koenning(Mississippi State OC)
    Dave Doeren(N.C. State HC)
    Bo Pelini(Nebraska)
    Larry Fedora(North Carolina)
    Pat Fitzgerald(Northwestern HC)
    Brian Kelly(Notre Dame HC)
    Bob Diaco(Notre Dame DC)
    Frank Solich(Ohio HC)
    Urban Meyer(Ohio State HC)
    Luke Fickell(Ohio State DC)
    Bob Stoops(Oklahoma HC)
    Mike Gundy(Oklahoma State HC)
    Hugh Freeze(Ole Miss HC)
    Mark Helfrich(Oregon HC)
    Mike Riley(Oregon State HC)
    Bill O'Brien(Penn State HC)
    June Jones(SMU HC)
    Steve Spurrier(South Carolina HC)
    David Shaw(Stanford HC)
    Gary Patterson(TCU HC)
    Kevin Sumlin(Texas A&M HC)
    Jim Mora(UCLA HC)
    Noel Mazzone(UCLA OC)
    Ed Orgeron(USC Interim HC)
    Clancy Pendergast(USC DC)
    Chuck Bresnahan(USF DC)
    Kyle Whittingham(Utah HC)
    Dennis Erickson(Utah OC)
    Larry Coker(UTSA)
    James Franklin(Vanderbilt)
    Scot Loeffler(Virginia Tech OC)
    Steve Sarkisian(Washington HC)
    Mike Leach(Washington State HC)
    Dana Holgorsen(West Virginia HC)
    Gary Anderson(Wisconsin HC)

    Full list
     
  15. mick fry

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    Saban will be coming to texas but it will be with the longhorns. Jimmy johnson as a consultant/gm, he would love to rub jerrys nose in it if he built a superbowl winner again. There will be a guy available who i am not a fan of but may me just the guy, Rex Ryan!
     
  16. SooneRockStro

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    I don't see Mack Brown on your list.
     
  17. J.R.

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    Too old. ;) Do not want.

    (Although yes, some of those are just as old, if not older.)
     
  18. mtbrays

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    I don't really understand the love for Cowher and Gruden. They've both been out of the league for a long time and haven't coached against the latest strategies/trends. While good coaches, there could be considerable rust there.
     
  19. justtxyank

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    Definitely worth an interview.

    Definitely worth an interview

    Zero interest.

    Zero interest.

    Zero interest.


    My list would be something like this:

    Cowher & Saban: Call to see if they are interested. If so, definitely worth interviewing

    Realistic interview candidates:
    Lovie Smith
    Todd Bowles
    Kevin Sumlin
    Jack del Rio
    Josh McDaniels (no personnel control obviously lol)
    Perry Fewell
     
  20. J.R.

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    Plenty of "retread" to go around. :p

    Brian Billick(Age: 59)(Last coached: 2007(HC Ravens); Current: NFL on FOX commentator)
    Tom Cable(Age: 48)(Last coached: 2013 Seahawks Asst. HC/OL Coach; Last HC: 2010 Raiders)
    Jim Caldwell(Age: 58)(Last coached: 2013 Ravens OC; Last HC: 2011 Colts)
    Bill Callahan(Age: 57)(Last coached: 2013 Cowboys OC; Last HC: 2007 Nebraska; Last HC: 2003 Raiders)
    Cam Cameron(Age: 52)(Last coached: 2013 LSU OC/QB Coach(NCAA); Last HC: 2007 Dolphins)
    Dave Campo(Age: 66)(Last coached: 2013 Kansas DC/Secondary Coach(NCAA); Last HC: 2002 Cowboys)
    Dom Capers(Age: 63)(Last coached: 2013 Packers DC; Last HC: 2005 Texans)
    Brad Childress(Age: 57)(Last coached: 2013 Chiefs "Spread Game Analyst"; Last HC: 2010 Vikings)
    Bill Cowher(Age: 56)(Last coached: 2006(HC Steelers); Current: NFL on CBS commentator)
    Romeo Crennel(Age: 66)(Last coached: 2012 Chiefs HC/DC; Current: ?)
    Gunther Cunningham(Age: 67)(Last coached: 2013 Lions DC; Last HC: 2000 Chiefs)
    Butch Davis(Age: 62)(Last coached: 2010 North Carolina HC(NCAA); Last HC: 2004 Browns; Current: Bucs Special Assistant to the Head Coach)
    Tony Dungy(Age: 58)(Last coached: 2008(Colts HC); Current: NBC 'Football Night in America')
    Jack Del Rio(Age: 50)(Last coached: 2013 Broncos DC; Last HC: 2011 Jaguars)
    Herm Edwards(Age: 59)(Last coached: 2008(Chiefs HC); Current: ESPN)
    Dennis Erickson(Age: 66)(Last coached: 2013 Utah Co-OC(NCAA); Last HC: 2011 Arizona State(NCAA); Last HC: 2004 49ers)
    Jim Fassel(Age: 64)(Last coached: 2012 Las Vegas Locomotives(UFL); Last HC: 2003 NY Giants; Current: ?)
    Perry Fewell(Age: 51)(Last coached: 2013 NY Giants DC; Last HC: 2009 Bills Interim HC(3-4))
    Chan Gailey(Age: 61)(Last coached: 2012 Bills HC; Current: ?)
    Joe Gibbs(Age: 72)(Last coached: 2007 Redskins HC; Current: Joe Gibbs Racing)
    Kevin Gilbride(Age: 62)(Last coached: 2013 NY Giants OC; Last HC: 1998 Chargers)
    Dennis Green(Age: 64)(Last coached: 2012 Sacramento Mountain Lions(UFL); Last HC: 2006 Cardinals; Current: ?)
    Al Groh(Age: 69)(Last coached: 2012 Georgia Tech DC(NCAA); Last HC: 2009 Virginia(NCAA); Last HC: 2000 NY Jets; Current: ?)
    Jon Gruden(Age: 50)(Last coached: 2008 Bucs; Current: ESPN)
    Todd Haley(Age: 46)(Last coached: 2013 Steelers OC; Last HC: 2011 Chiefs)
    Jim Haslett(Age: 57)(Last coached: 2013 Redskins DC: Last HC: 2009 Florida Tuskers(UFL); Last HC: 2008 Rams Interim HC(2-10); Last HC: 2005 Saints)
    Mike Holmgren(Age: 65)(Last coached: 2008 Seahawks HC; Last: Browns Team President(2010-2012); Current: ?)
    Hue Jackson(Age: 48)(Last coached: 2013 Bengals RB coach; Last HC: 2011 Raiders)
    Dick Jauron(Age: 63)(Last coached: 2012 Browns DC; Last HC: 2009 Bills; Current: ?)
    Lane Kiffin(Age: 38)(Last coached: 2013 USC HC(Fired)(NCAA); Last HC: 2008 Oakland; Current: ?)
    Dick LeBeau(Age: 76)(Last coached: 2013 Steelers DC; Last HC: 2002 Bengals)
    Scott Linehan(Age: 50)(Last coached: 2013 Lions OC; Last HC: 2008 Rams)
    Eric Mangini(Age: 42)(Last coached: 2010 Browns HC; Current: 49ers Offensive Senior Consultant)
    Rod Marinelli(Age: 64)(Last coached: 2013 Cowboys DL Coach; Last HC: 2008 Lions)
    Steve Mariucci(Age: 58)(Last coached: 2005 Lions HC; Current: NFL Network)
    Mike Martz(Age: 62)(Last coached: 2011 Bears OC; Last HC: 2005 Rams; Current: NFL on FOX commentator)
    Josh McDaniels(Age: 37)(Last coached: 2013 Patriots OC; Last HC: 2010 Broncos)
    Dave McGinnis(Age: 62)(Last coached: 2013 Rams Assistant HC; Last HC: 2003 Cardinals)
    Jim Mora(Age: 52)(Last coached: 2013 UCLA HC(NCAA); Last HC: 2009 Seahawks)
    Marty Mornhinweg(Age: 51)(Last coached: 2013 NY Jets OC; Last HC: 2002 Lions)
    Raheem Morris(Age: 37)(Last coached: 2013 Redskins Secondary Coach; Last HC: 2011 Bucs)
    Mike Mularky(Age: 52)(Last coached: 2012 Jaguars HC; Current: ?)
    Mike Nolan(Age: 54)(Last coached: 2013 Falcons DC; Last HC: 2008 49ers)
    Chris Palmer(Age: 64)(Last coached: 2012 Titans OC; Last HC: 2000 Browns; Current: ?)
    Bill Parcells(Age: 72)(Last coached: 2006 Cowboys; Last: Dolphins Exec. VP of Football Operations(2008-2010); Current: ESPN(?))
    Bobby Petrino(Age: 52)(Last coached: 2013 Western Kentucky HC(NCAA); Last HC: 2007 Falcons)
    Wade Phillips(Age: 66)(Last coached: 2013 Texans DC; Last HC: 2010 Cowboys)
    Dan Reeves(Age: 69)(Last coached: 2003 Falcons HC; Current: Westwood One Radio)
    Ray Rhodes(Age: 63)(Last coached: 2012 Browns Senior Assistant/Defense; Last HC: 1999 Packers; Current: ?)
    Mike Riley(Age: 60)(Last coached: 2013 Oregon State HC(NCAA); Last HC: 2001 Chargers)
    Terry Robiskie(Age: 59)(Last coached: 2013 Falcons WR; Last HC: 2004 Browns Interim HC(1-5); Last HC; 2000 Redskins Interim HC(1-2))
    Bobby Ross(Age: 77)(Last coached: 2006 Army HC(NCAA); Last HC: 2000 Lions; Current: Retired)
    Nick Saban(Age: 62)(Last coached: 2013 Alabama HC(NCAA); Last HC: 2006 Dolphins)
    Marty Schottenheimer(Age: 70)(Last coached: Virginia Destroyers(UFL); Last HC: 2006 Chargers; Current: Retired)
    Art Shell(Age: 66)(Last coached: 2006 Raiders HC; Current: ?)
    Mike Sherman(Age: 58)(Last coached: 2013 Dolphins OC; Last HC: 2005 Packers)
    Pat Shurmur(Age: 48)(Last coached: 2013 Eagles OC; Last HC: 2012 Browns)
    Mike Singletary(Age: 55)(Last coached: 2013 Vikings Asst. Head Coach/Linebackers; Last HC: 2010 49ers)
    Lovie Smith(Age: 55)(Last coached: 2012 Bears HC; Current: ?)
    Steve Spagnulo(Age: 53)(Last coached: 2013 Ravens Senior Defensive Assistant; Last HC: 2011 Rams)
    Tony Sparano(Age: 52)(Last coached: 2013 Raiders Asst. Head Coach/OL Coach; Last HC: 2011 Dolphins)
    Steve Spurrier(Age: 68)(Last coached: 2013 South Carolina HC(NCAA); Last HC: 2003 Redskins)
    Emmitt Thomas(Age: 70)(Last coached: 2013 Chiefs DBs; Last HC: 2007 Falcons Interim HC(1-2))
    Mike Tice(Age: 54)(Last coached: 2012 Bears OC; Last HC: 2005 Vikings; Current: ?)
    Vince Tobin(Age: 70)(Last coached: 2001 Lions DC; Last HC: 2000 Cardinals; Current: ?)
    Jim Tomsula(Age: 45)(Last coached: 2013 49ers DL Coach; Last HC: 2010 49ers Interim HC(1-0))
    Mel Tucker(Age: 41)(Last coached: 2013 Bears DC; Last HC: 2011 Jaguars Interim HC(2-3))
    Norv Turner(Age: 61)(Last coached: 2013 Browns OC; Last HC: 2012 Chargers)
    Dick Vermeil(Age: 77)(Last coached: 2005 Chiefs HC; Current: Retired)
    Joe Vitt(Age: 59)(Last coached: 2013 Saints Asst. Head Coach/LB Coach; Last HC: 2005 Rams Interim HC(4-7); Last HC: 2012 Saints Interim HC(4-5))
    Dave Wannstedt(Age: 61)(Last coached: 2013 Bucs ST Coach; Last HC: 2010 Pittsburgh(NCAA); Last HC: 2004 Dolphins)
    Ken Whisenhunt(Age: 51)(Last coached: 2013 Chargers OC; Last HC: 2012 Cardinals)
    Gregg Williams(Age: 55)(Last coached: 2013 Titans Senior Defensive Assistant; Last HC: 2003 Bills)
    Jim Zorn(Age: 60)(Last coached: 2012 Chiefs QBs Coach; Last HC: 2009 Redskins; Current: ?)
     
    #40 J.R., Nov 18, 2013
    Last edited: Nov 18, 2013

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