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Kubiak Needs to Get it Together

Discussion in 'Houston Texans' started by rocketsjudoka, Jan 6, 2013.

  1. Nimo

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    Interception vs Minnesota?

    People just make stuff up to make their case against the Texans.
     
  2. rocketblood713

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    Texans only had Casey and Daniels last time with no Brooks Reed and no Newton ..and J-Jo played but said yesterday how he feels now then they last time when he played the Pats and said "night and day"
     
  3. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    bottom line, if the game has to revert to schaub, it ain't happening. and that's pretty much been the case since he's been here.
     
  4. Plowman

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    They're tied at the hip.... reflections. I've doggedly stayed on Kube's ass and have always thought Matt's perpensity for making BIG mistakes when put to the task were massive kinks in our armor ..no margin for error... These were known entities going in. We were going to have to win in spite of all the liabilities. But along the way, we lost Cushing.....and have coasted. It doesn't feel good , but Joseph needed to come back...Kareem is oodles better...And the right side of the line is improving. Also, Cincy was much better than most realize.

    Perhaps, those liabilities are overcome by the sum total of the positives they bring and the great play of what should prove to be a historically dominant defense.

    Go Texans!
     
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  5. Nimo

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    See..

     
  6. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    dude, we're talking about a 31 year old qb who is just now in the playoffs. but yeah, he's won so many games for us:rolleyes:
     
  7. Nimo

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    Right. And that was all Schaub's fault. He had nothing to do with the wins they've had (13 this season and playoffs).

    BTW he has one more playoff win than Matt Ryan. Just saying.
     
  8. pgabriel

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    wtf does matt ryan have to do with anything. schaub had a great first half of the season, but when the team wasn't operating on all cylinders he didn't do well. bottom line that makes him non elite and very avg.

    kubiak is the offensive force on this team.
     
  9. SwoLy-D

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    FAIL. :(

    BAD MEMORY! That was against the Colts. :eek: The one meant for Casey, then the overthrow meant for Johnson.
     
  10. Nimo

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    Easy you said Schaub is just now getting to the playoffs and I gave you a QB (who nobody is talking about replacing) who has 0 wins in the playoffs. Make up your mind. Do you attribute team wins to the QB or not? You can't have it both ways.

    Your comment doesn't make sense. That's like saying "when my tires are bald, I'm out of gas, my engine oil is drained, fuel pump needs replacing and my radiator is overheating; my car's engine doesn't run very well."

    sigh
     
  11. Nimo

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    :)

    Hopefully you remember at least some of the good throws Matt's had.
     
  12. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    i'm saying this team won without schaub in the playoffs. if this team was missing foster or even worse johnson, i wouldn't have as much confidence.

    again, i don't give a crap about ryan.
     
  13. ApuN

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    When it was time for Atlanta to wrap up the one seed, Matt Ryan stepped up and put his team in the BEST position to get to a Superbowl.

    When it was the Texans time, Matt Fraud wussed out and curled up in a fetus, TWICE. After Sunday, there will be no doubt that Matt Fraud doesn't have the ability to lead anybody to any championship
     
  14. Hey Now!

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    That's simply not true. There are countless games - this year, in fact - in which Schaub has absolutely carried the team (Denver, Jacksonville, Detroit). Schaub has always - *always* - been a competent QB, capable of carrying this team if needed. The failings - prior to this recent stretch - have consistently rested elsewhere.

    But he's absolutely regressed the past month-ish for reasons I can't fully understand. (Some of it is the OL play, which has not been opening holes or pass protecting well; not a coincidence he played better last week when the OL stepped up its game.) He is playing like he absolutely FEARS making a fatal mistake and, frankly - that's never been his MO. It's deterimental to a QB to play like that. Hopefully, the win last week built up some equity.

    (I've long maintained equity is such an underappreciated part of this; that those who have it - like Brady - can do what they have to do because their legacy is, more or less, set. Brady could 3/28 for 65 yards 0/3 tomorrow and he's still the greatest Patriot of all-time. That kind of equity has to be liberating when it comes to making decisions.)
     
  15. pgabriel

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    if detroit wasn't absolutely pathetic in their losing mentality, that game would have been over very early. schaub was given multiple chances to win that game by their futility.
     
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    I know... (sigh)

    I knew as soon as I posted it, it'd be met with a "yeah, but..." target move. It never ceases to amaze me how every one of his losses is valid while every one of his wins is not. If the anti-Schaub had even a *shred* of self-awareness, they'd recognize how wildly disingenuous this is. Ah, well...
     
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  17. Nimo

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    Right. It was all on Ryan. None of the many weapons on that team helped. And when Schaub had the chance to clinch the division, he totally folded. Right. No one remembers that the defense was also in a slump towards the end of the season.
     
  18. Nimo

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    The Patriots also won without Brady. So did the Colts. Both teams made it into the playoffs. Your point means squat!
     
  19. Major

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    The "yeah, but"s come because you create conditions for them: you use stats to make conclusions without considering context. So there are legitimate "yeah, but"s to point out. In your "Schaub is elite" thread, you complained about upcoming "yeah, but"s in the very first post. But they proved *right*. The "yeah but"s included the fact that his numbers were excellent game-manager type numbers (low yards, low TDs, low turnovers) against crappy teams, and in situations where the defense and running game were outstanding.

    Performing in that environment doesn't make you elite - it makes you efficient and not-mistake-prone. Games like Denver would have been a better example. But in the larger sample of those types of games, he's been decidedly mixed - with some good games and some awful games. Thus, the "Schaub is performing at an elite level over these 8 games" rightfully included a "yeah, but he's had a great defense and running game and hasn't needed to do much."
     
  20. Svpernaut

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    We were also plagued by injuries during that time with Reed out and and Joseph injured on defense, and with Graham (our best run blocking TE) out on offense. All three are healthy now and had great games last week.

    Individual mistakes were the key reason for the loss in New England. The dropped deep ball early on, Schaubs' interception in the end zone when he could have checked down and the missed fumble recovery were the three keys to that game.

    Kubiak didn't help either because he abandoned the outside run too early and we got out of our comfort zone. We have an all-pro left tackle, ride his gigantic coattails to the AFC Championship game.

    Sweep Foster out wide on stretch plays and shove Tate up the middle. Tate averaged 5.8 yards per carry on 8 carries last game against New England.

    This 1000%.
     

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