We know Sage is pretty much a mediocre QB. You learn about Carr by seeing what Sage does. If the offense does much better with Sage as the QB, you know Carr was part of the problem. If the offense does similarly, it tells you that Carr is pretty much mediocre. If the offense does much worse, it gives you hope that Carr is part of the solution. The point is that we have no idea if Carr is the problem or not because there's no comparison point. You need to see the same players with a different QB and see if they are better or worse - that tells you a lot about Carr. Right now, we have one half of a game as evidence, and during that, the entire offense performed far and away better than it has at any other point this season. Is it a fluke? Probably. But I would like to find out. Otherwise, say Carr continues to perform mediocre the rest of the season (very likely). What does that tell you? Is he the problem? Is it the O-line? Something else? We know nothing more than we did a year ago, so we go into next year repeating the same stupid thing and waste yet another year. Carr's NOT progressing this season - he just isn't. In fact, he's getting worse and the offense is getting worse. What point does it serve to repeat the same stupid failures over and over for another 5 games?
The O-Line did great a week ago. We averaged something like 7 yards a carry. Our QB still dumped the ball off and completed 22 straight passes, almost all of which were 4 yards or less.
he was playing last week with a bruised shoulder - he threw deep twice and both were awful looking passes. besides, how does a good QB overcome this?: cook fumbles at the buffalo 6 with the team trailing 17-14; up 21-17 in the 4Q, carr scrambles 16 yards to the buffalo 11 to convert a key third down only to have the play wiped out by a holding penalty. it knocks them out of FG range. two weeks prior to that against the giants: lundy dropps a sure-first down catch on 3rd and 6 and brown then misses a 42-yard FG to open the game; later, cook fumbles, this time at the giant 35 with 5:23 remaining in the game and the team down 4. again, how does a... say, phillip rivers overcome that? i mean, for all the carping and griping about carr, he's had the team in position to win the previous three weeks (twice on the road) and other players have let the team down. yesterday was merely a product of a young, average-at-best team hitting a wall and getting smacked back to reality - they're not very good across the board. and yes, carr played terribly from what i could see. i do think his shoulder is still bothering him. excuses, i know... but on the few balls he's thrown downfield the past two weeks, most of them have been horribly underthrown, which is not his MO.
every week, there will be another reason to give carr a pass. we could go on like this another 10 years.
Do you have anything to actually retort the facts Ric posted? Just because they're excuses doesn't mean they're not valid.
Ric has valid points. could another quarterback overcome those miscues? would another coach find a solution with a different gameplan? would a different gameplan (wide-open, vertical offense) work with the players on this roster? could the o-line contain long enough for those plays to develop? could carr make the throws with accuracy given that his shoulder is (likely) not 100%? there just seems to be so many questions surrounding a team that should be further along in its development as a franchise. i realize that the current "regime" didn't create this mess. i, personally, thought they'd do a bit better with what they've got, that's all. this team is several years away from being competitive in their own division. i had hopes of a quicker fix.
How about the fact that every other team has dropped passes and fumbles and missed field goals and penalties? It's as though Carr is the only person to have to deal with these things. Other teams don't all have perfect players at every position, and yet, their QB is still expected to perform. If our QB has to have every other position be absolutely perfect in order to score any points, that's a problem with the QB.
I dont' think Kubiak has the balls to pull him...It would admit to making a mistake, but besides that, who else is left...Sage...He's no Tony Romo...If we draft a QB next year with the top pick, i'm going to be PO'd...Only reason is we should have done it this year...Last years class of QB's are better than this year...
facts, valid points, excuses or whatever...who cares? Bottom line is that the team hasn't won....period. Is Carr 100% at fault? no But you need to start somewhere. I think if you let a guy like Rosenfels come in and play...and he makes the offense better...then maybe Carr is one of the biggest problems and you go from there. I'm not a huge Texan fan but as a season ticket holder, I'd like to know whether or not it makes sense to draft a QB this year. Seems like to me (and I dont watch them religiously) that a lot of Carr's positive stats are compiled during garbage time.
Then he shouldn't have been on the field. The team is bad enough without a QB that can't throw. How does another QB overcome that? I didn't realize that every team that wins and every QB that plays well has a team that commits no penalties, has no turnovers, and drops no passes. The way a QB overcomes that is by making other plays at other times. Yes, those drives got stopped by other people's failings. What about all the drives that get stopped by his failings? Why ignore those? Of course. Carr had the team in position to win and everyone else failed him. Right. "Anyone but Carr."
Kubiak doesn't need to bring in Sage as a point of comparison, he can evaluate David Carr's performance and decision making on the field. He can go through game film afterwards. It might be useful for fans to bring in Sage, but for a professional coach, it is probably better to maximize Carr's time on the field and see what kind of improvements he can make. That will be enough evidence for Kubiak to make his decision at the end of the year.
Nice in theory, terrible in reality. QB's get changed on teams all the time and pull surprises. Based on your version, every team would always be starting their best QB. But as we see over and over when backups come in and do better than the starter, that just isn't the case.
I would say your version is nice in theory and terrible in reality. Most of the time the guy on the bench is there for the reason, especially when we are talking about a journeyman QB. Sometimes the journeyman QB can come off the bench and do better, but that is usually the exception. The rule is that talented QB's need time and talent around them to develop. Besides, we don't have a Romo or Delhomme on our bench. If we did, then I'd be more likely to support a Carr benching.
i'm not sure the cowboys knew they had a Romo on their bench. i'm pretty sure the patriots didn't know they had a Brady on their bench. i'm not suggesting Sage is gonna be anywhere near that. i honestly don't think he is going to be a starter in this league. but i'd love to be proven wrong.
Actually I have heard hype about Romo for awhile. He is not a journeyman like Sage. And while no on expected what Brady has done, he hasn't been a journeyman either. Neither of these guys bounced around from team to team like Sage has. I will say that I hope we have someone like Romo or Brady next year to truly compete for the job.
I give up. It's better that the Texans just keep running out Carr game after game, losing game after game, and blaming everyone else around him. I like how this thread started by now blaming the head coach who was brought in with all sorts of hoopla for his offensive ability. We can now add Kubiak to the wide list of people being blamed before Carr.
You're right. We've been stacked at every other position except for QB in the five seasons we've had a team. I completely forgot that we've had the same level of talent on our team has every other team in the league. You are all fooling yourselves if you don't think that the Texans have been one of, if not the worst team talent-wise over the last four seasons. To place the majority of the blame on David Carr for the lack of success by this franchise is absurd.
