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Kubiak getting an extension

Discussion in 'Houston Texans' started by J.R., Feb 1, 2010.

  1. Coach AI

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    the circumstances would be the team went 8-8. And missed the playoffs again.
     
  2. DonnyMost

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    If it were that simple, you could be the GM :)
     
  3. Coach AI

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    What did I say was simple? :confused:
     
  4. DonnyMost

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    you seem to think hiring/firing coaches is as simple as...

    X record = fired

    Y record = extended

    etc. etc.
     
  5. R0ckets03

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    What else are you suppose to take into account? :confused:
     
  6. DonnyMost

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    Matt Schaub gets hurt on the first play of the year.

    The Texans opponents' combined winning percentage is .750

    Etc. Etc.
     
  7. DonnyMost

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    Matt Schaub gets hurt on the first play of the year.

    The Texans opponents' combined winning percentage is .750

    A hurricane comes through and destroys Reliant so they have to play all their games on the road.

    Etc. Etc.
     
  8. Coach AI

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    Not sure how you came to that conclusion.

    But your 'circumstances' can go on forever. Every year someone gets hurt. Every year some kickers miss. Every year someone fumbles, etc. etc.

    Circumstances are fine for one year, maybe two. Otherwise they are just excuses. The hypothetical situation here would be five years, Donny. How long do you need?

    I understand you are all about team loyalty, I really do. But at some point you've gotta realize the excuses are empty.

    The fact that we have to reach for catastrophic injuries and natural disasters, imo, says a lot in just how far you have to reach in justification for that loyalty.

    Your second 'circumstance' is weak, though. "But everyone else is better than me" is not a good reason at all.
     
  9. meh

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    That doesn't work in real life. Because after enough failures, fans will eventually want heads to roll regardless of the circumstances.

    Kubiak took over the worst team in the NFL(by record) four years ago. The 2nd worst team in the NFL also changed its coach to Sean Payton, and since have gone to the playoffs and is in the SB this year. The 3rd worst team that year kept its coach, but has since gone to two playoffs and had a nice 13-3 season.

    The whole excuse that the Texans were a mess when he took over is just that, an excuse. You can't last forever on that.
     
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    Heh, preach on! The top 5 teams in that [2006] draft[excluding the Texans] have gone on to the playoffs.

    and

    Coaching class of 2006
    Coach Team
    Rod Marinelli - Lions: Fired
    Scott Linehan - Rams: Fired
    Herm Edwards - Chiefs: Fired
    Brad Childress - Vikings: Playoffs
    Gary Kubiak - Texans: ???
    Eric Mangini - Jets: Playoffs + Fired
    Dick Jauron - Bills: Fired
    Sean Payton - Saints: Playoffs
    Mike McCarthy - Packers: Playoffs
    Art Shell - Raiders: Fired

    What do you put in the Texans spot? 9-7? All the coaches from that class have been fired or been to the playoffs.
     
  11. Plowman

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    I'm going to reiterate that Bob should have decided to let Kubes go midway through the year and had Cowher ready with the handshake deal at the end.

    We have a tough schedule next year, but I think we'll make the playoffs in spite of Gary.
    The problem is once we're in the postseason and we get past that first round ......... This is where Kubiak IMO costs us in a big way.

    That said,maybe we were priced into another year, but an extension......Gimme a break!
     
  12. DonkeyMagic

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    why does everyone assume cowher would come here?
     
  13. J.R.

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    Lance Z said this morning(pretty sure it was Lance) that he heard "not in a million years would McNair dish out the likely 10 mil asking price for a coach like Cowher."
     
  14. DonnyMost

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    My god, if you guys want to be Saints fans, be my guest.

    The team is improving. I'm happy with the progress.

    Rome wasn't built in a day, and if you're going to measure what should happen by one other team's superbowl trip, then prepare to fire every head coach we get for the forseeable future.

    What has Gary Kubiak done to justify firing him?

    Who is out there worthy of replacing him?

    Answer me those two questions.
     
  15. DonkeyMagic

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    dont you know...if one team can do it than everyteam should do what they did.

    Next year there will be a 32 superbowl champions.
     
  16. Blake

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    So Chris Brown's fumble and Kris Brown's field goal misses are Kubiak's fault?

    If you agree that they were not his fault, then basically we were a 10 or 11 win team
     
  17. JayZ750

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    to be fair they had a couple of close wins, too. those plays that didn't happen kept the team from going into overtime, not winning games.

    in a completely unscientific study, i think the general point that the Texans seemed to basically play to their competition, good or bad, was true. they only had 5 games that were decided by more than 8 points (theoretically, 1 score). The Chargers had 7, Cowboys 7, Packers 10, Eagles 9, Saints 10, Colts 8, etc.

    I think Gary has an approach that can be successful, but also can be hurtful, depending on the team. It is a very logical, fact based, don't get too too fired up or too too down approach. It's Tony Dungee-esque. You've certainly seen him fired up on the sidelines before, but he also clearly isn't a Bellicheck, Parcells or Cowher type.

    I think he's definitely improved as a coach, specifically. I don't think he is going to ever coach a team that shouldn't be in the Superbowl to the Superbowl, but with the right talent, could he coach a team there, sure? though, so could a lot of coaches, right?

    I've been a proponent of changing coaches...BUT only to bring in someone clearly more "tenured" and "successful" - i.e. Cowher. That apparently was never going to happen, so Gary stays.

    An extension is a little oddly timed, but if it prevents some of the "lame-duck" mentality, and doesn't make it significantly more difficult to change coaches next offseason, if necessary, than not a big deal.

    The bigger concern is talent evaluation, free agent acquisitions and drafting. They've had some good draft picks, but again, so has pretty much every team, right? A broken clock is right twice a day. They haven't gotten enough overall out of the draft, and they certainly haven't gotten enough out of their free agent signings.

    I don't know how much Gary impacts those decisions, but they can't afford to not get at least 3 solid starters out of the draft this year plus a solid, contributing FA acquisition.
     
  18. kaleidosky

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    That's so ridiculous. So you're saying if the Jets had lost the final game of the season, all would be forgiven and you would be happy with this?

    Basically, 1 game played by the Jets and Bengals is swaying your vote on the coach of the Texans
     
  19. kaleidosky

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    You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to JayZ750 again.



    Nice post, well thought-out
     
  20. DonkeyMagic

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    i don't think talent evaluation has been that bad. Some misses but some hits. Rarely does a team hit on every cylinder.

    I will say that drafting secondary has been the most suspect. They just can't seem to lock down a consistent starter...although i think Quinn is one.

    FA has been a lot of misses though...mainly going with the vets
     

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