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Kris Brown has got to go....

Discussion in 'Houston Texans' started by Two Sandwiches, Nov 24, 2009.

  1. emjohn

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    At this point, there's no way he sees the offer he rejected in the offseason. In fact, the Texans can now bluntly tell him that he *owes* them cash after he receives $10M this year with a $1.5M performance. You like to keep your team intact, but at this point he's a marginal starting CB that is asking for elite CB money. He can accept a now-generous 3 yr, $8M (total, not per) deal (half guaranteed), or he can let the door hit him solidly in the backside.

    Ryans gets paid. Daniels gets taken care of. Dunta can take it or leave it.
     
  2. Bobblehead

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    I would keep Kris...but bring in some competition. Good PK are really hard to find. Hopefully he keeps his head on straight and doesn't go back to Steeler Kris who missed 15 FGs when the Steelers canned him.
     
  3. Bobblehead

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    And Dunte is a joke..He's lucky that he for franchised because that's the most money he'll ever see. He's had a piss-poor season and is not even close to being a top 5 CB.
     
  4. sammy

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    Seriously DD..do you even watch football? I'm not trying to pick on you but this isn't exactly rocket science.

    Bironas was clutch. Brown was not. Bironas was one of the main reasons the Titans lost their season opener. Since then, he has only missed one FG which was last week.

    Games come down to field goals all the time esp in the playoffs. Ever heard of a guy named Vinatieri? He has won 2 superbowls in the closing seconds.
     
  5. sammy

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    I would also like to add that this is the Kris Brown that secured us Mario Williams.

    I thought he might have been been shanking them on purpose but I highly doubt that now.
     
  6. sammy

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    Sorry about the triple post :eek: :eek:

    Wanted to mention that he missed one last night of course.

    I needed 25 points from Slaton and Bironas to come back in fantasy fb and I got 23 roughly. I'm thinking now that he might as well had just made that one. When it rains, it pours.
     
  7. wallyj12

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    I really dont think he does. Or if he does, he doesnt understand whats going on in the games
     
  8. oomp

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    From twitter

    @Adam_Schefter: Falcons working out kickers http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcsouth/post/_/id/5531/falcons-working-out-kickers


    Just got a tidbit from a very reliable league source. The Atlanta Falcons worked out four kickers on Tuesday.

    They had Brandon Coutu, Sam Swank, Shane Andrus and Steve Hauschka in for workouts. This is highly interesting because the Falcons have veteran (and Georgia native) Jason Elam as their kicker.

    The league source said no moves are imminent and the Falcons plan to stick with Elam this week. But the team apparently is assembling a list of possible replacements.

    That’s not a bad idea because the normally-reliable Elam hasn’t been very accurate on field goals this season and has been listed on the injury report much of this year.



    @JeromeSolomon: Elam 10-of-16, Kris Brown 11-of-17 RT @Adam_Schefter Falcons working out kickers
     
  9. Air Langhi

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    Maybe he just really wants of the texans.
     
  10. RocketMania1991

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    No reason this game should of been decided by a field goal.

    The Texans blew this one big.

    Vince Young ran the same plays over, and over. The defense should of adapted, instead they just kept on getting torched.

    Matt Schaub was throwing horrible passes most of the night below the hands of our recievers.


    Kris Brown shouldn't of been the deciding factor for this game.
     
  11. emjohn

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    He's not dogging it out there, just getting jobbed. Besides, his performance is killing his value period, not just inside this franchise. No one in their right mind would offer him much money right now.

    Evan
     
  12. Smokey

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    Hasn't Jason Elam had a better career than Kris Brown?

    And the Falcons are bringing in competition...

    The Texans are loyal to a fault.
     
  13. DonnyMost

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    Kubiak said they're not auditioning kickers this year.

    But you have to think if Kris misses another game-ender or doesn't post a conversion percentage near his lifetime avg these last 6 weeks that his job will be in serious doubt come the off-season.
     
  14. JunkyardDwg

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    Certainly he shouldn't be fired because of his three missed field goals the past two games.

    But the problem is whether or not this is becoming mental for him. If he doesn't regain his usual consistency, then I think you need to bring in a kicker to compete with him for the starting spot next year.

    Wouldn't it have been something if Kubiak saved the last timeout and used it to ice his own kicker, thinking Fisher wouldn't use his. Maybe that gets the jitters out so Brown's not thinking of whether or not Fisher uses the timeout. I wonder if we ever see that strategy one of these days.
     
  15. vinsensual

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    11/17 is plain bad. I imagine if he falls below 60% Kubiak will be forced to shop around if just to create some competition.
     
  16. Hey Now!

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    you're right - handing the ball off to a fumble machine is a sound plan; kubiak sucks!

    something i doubt the titans know - i'm sure he would have been negative-double covered; seriously, wiiiiiiide open...

    a professional kicker should be able to hit a 49-yarder. it's not like they left him a 63-yarder. the upside of squeezing out 8-10 more yards is far - far, far, far - outweighed by the risk of trying to squeeze out 8-10 more yards.

    they did *everything* right on the final drive... except, of course, for the actual kick. i'm not as down as some seem about last night - but there are far greater transgressions to gripe about than the final drive. risking a 49-yard FG to maybe get a few more yards is absolutely a bad idea. and as much as i've defended kubiak - had he done that and schaub lost yards... i would be first in line calling for his head. well, first in the really angry line, at least.

    seriously, DHR - they did nothing to complain about on the final drive.
     
  17. Vinsanity

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    What would have Bill Belichick done?
     
  18. JunkyardDwg

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    The following is the percentage of field goals made by a kicker this season from the following ranges:
    1-19 = 100% 20-29 = 93% 30-39 = 81% 40-49 = 68% 50+ = 62%

    Accuracy gets continually worse the further they kick. Neither of his field goals last night were gimmes. And on the last drive, an extra ten yards would have given him an 81% chance of making it instead of 68%. That's a big difference.

    Also, they did actually risk that 49 yard field goal by calling another running play. That play could have resulted in negative yards or a fumble. So if you're gonna call another play, why not at least take a shot at the endzone or run a quick slant that might net you an extra ten yards and make Kris Brown's job easier.

    DD has a legitimate argument...game's on the line, I want the ball in Schaub's hands; not at the tip of the foot of a guy that cost us a chance at a win in Indy the week before and cost us 3 earlier in the game. Schaub has shown he can drive the field late in the game; so give him a chance to win it. Give one of the top QB's in the game and the top receiver in the nfl a chance to end the game right then and there. GO FOR THE KILL.
     
  19. Hey Now!

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    i can't believe i'm having to argue this... the difference does not outweigh the monumental risk involved in trying to make something happen in 8 seconds. and you're not even factoring in kris brown's performance this year: 3 of 7 from 30+ prior to last night's kick. so the risk is even *greater* when you consider it probably wouldn't have made *any* difference given how poorly brown has kicked this year.

    (although, ironically, he's 2-2 from 50+.....)

    if i have to explain the difference between a planned QB dive designed to line-up a FG and a full-fledged drop-back pass... well, that would put us at an impasse.

    are you now arguing they should have tried to score a TD??? unreal. i'm sorry, man - really - but you're on the wrong side of this. they did everything they could and should have done on that last drive. except make the kick.
     
  20. rrj_gamz

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    Definitely his time to choke is terrible, but I agree, he's been clutch for so long, the law of averages has to prevail...I think he can regain the teams trust...Again, it should never have to come to it, but if the games on the line, he has to do his job and come through...
     

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