[KRGV News] 15-year-old Student dies after shooting at a middle school

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as someone stated . . maybe suicide by cop

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I think they have to look into preventing it more though
At this point i think cops need alot more training

Rocket River

 

Once you get to that point where it is deemed necessary to use deadly force, it is safe to say the officers considered it a life or death situation for themselves or those around them and unreasonable to expect them to aim for non-lethal areas of the kid's body where the kid might be able to return fire. The reports I read on chron.com say the pellet gun looked exactly like a glock and the officers asked the kid to put down the gun multiple times before the 15 year old kid decided to aim it at the officers at a school where even bb guns are not allowed... it's hard to feel sympathy for the kid in this situation. I feel worse for the officers and the friends and family of the kid.

 

I'm guessing the kid wanted to die. You just don't point any kind of gun at a cop and expect to walk away from it intact. Most people...even at that age...understand this.

 

I doubt a 15 year old 8th grader was capable of thinking clearly.

It is a sad situation all around, but I do think they could have shot him in non lethal areas.

DD

 

This might be the most dumbfounding threads I've read here in a long time. Perhaps people don't realize how authentic some of these "pellet" guns can look (do a search on "airsoft"). Perhaps people don't realize exactly why you don't bring a taser to a gun fight (the effective range is WAY too short). Perhaps people don't realize street cops using handguns are not and NEVER will be trained to shoot suspects in "non-lethal" areas of their body (there's really no such thing with the imprecision of a handgun and it's simply too risky in a CQC situation).

Sure......this is a sad situation, but if this kid was pointing an authentic looking handgun at police officers and was warned more than once, he got more warning than he should have.

 

This.

Sorry, if I'm in the cop's situation, I don't potentially sacrifice the well-being of innocent teachers and students on the possible hunch that the 'kid' in question might just be busy being an *******. Columbine and the VA Tech outcomes have changed the game in how you handle these situations.

 

DaDa, I respect your opinion, but...

The kid is 15, and by all indications, not r****ded.* At 15, he has enough common sense not to bring a gun to school, and to know that he's going to get shot when he points it at multiple cops. In fact, he probably has more common sense, and wherewithal(sp?) than, say, the average crackhead or alcholic involved in a police dispute. I know I did at that age.

The fact that he punched a kid in the face (for no reason) in a random classroom, and then pulled the "gun" out in the hall shows that he wanted police attention.

Verdict: Suicide by Cop.


*If the kid was, in fact, "special", I apologize for this statement. By all accounts, it's a slight possibility.

 

How is shooting him in non-lethal areas going to prevent him from returning fire? Also I already told you cops are trained to shoot center mass.

 

I know you are extremely biased in this situation, but please explain what training you would give to cops encountering these situations, specifically, training that would have/could have eliminated the death of this student.

 

The old naked hooker distracting move where you sneak up and take down target?

 

Picture on Chron... which is real?

 

I don't know if you shoot him in the arms I guess he won't be able to hold the gun...what about a warning shot?

There has to be some better training than this....you don't hear of this happening in many other countries around the world.

DD

 

/facepalm

Shooting someone in the arm does not automatically make them drop the gun. People can get shot and continue firing back, also they have no idea if this kid was on drugs. Your suggestions would put other people's lives in danger.

 

Partly, I think because an isolated incident like this doesn't make world-wide news, and partly because kids just don't screw around in public places as often as they do here. Yeah, it happens, but not as often.

 

Dude. Sometimes you sound like a pretty smart guy. Successful for sure. But sometimes... you just sound real d...

 

Not only that, but as someone else said (codell, I think), handguns are a lot less accurate than rifles. I'm sure the cops were not three feet away from the kid. You shoot at his arms, you risk missing and him firing back, or, worst case, shooting through a window elsewhere in the school and hitting an innocent bystander. By all means, shooting for the largest mass of body is that safest shot. What don't people understand about that?

If you're 15, you know right from wrong, and you understand what happens when you bring a realistic gun to school. Cops are called, and one way or another, a life usually ends.

 

So when someone points a gun at you which arm do you shoot at?

 

Plus, how long did it take to decide by looking at the pic? more than a split second?...no DaDa, you are wrong. A unsuccessful hit and a scorn perpetrator will be more hell bent on taking some shots before expiring...

The cops did the right thing and the only thing ...

 

The ability to talk the KID down?

Rocket River

 

I know what I am saying is probably not realistic it is just that I am so bummed out that an 8th grader got shot holding a pellet gun.

For him and the cops that shot him.

DD