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KPJ: Can someone explain to me why he has become Clutchfans favorite whipping boy?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by DasouthDakota, Oct 25, 2022.

  1. i3artow i3aller

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  2. DaDakota

    DaDakota If you want to know, just ask!

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    Yes, he is a 22 year old that is sacrificing HIS NORMAL game for the good of the team and trying to learn to be more of a facilitator, and he has had about 80 games there and people in a TANKING year are wanting to pull the plug - why exactly? We don't have a better option, and if the experiment actually works we are better than any team with a traditional PG.

    Also, the biggest issue with KPJ right now are he is not as efficient at shooting, and he turns it over too much - the first is completely on him as he improves the 2nd has a lot to do with teamates and their ability to finish or be in the right place....it is on both him as the facilitator and the receiver of the pass being on the same page, and for whatever reason that isn't always the case, my guess is that because players don't know when to stand still and when to move when KPJ is Iso - ing ......which again is more about the lack of structure.

    RE: Potential All star, not many 22 year olds are putting up 19-6-6 right now......and we all know ALL star votes are more about flash than efficiency.

    DD
     
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  3. ApacheWarrior

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    Yes sir....can I get KPj/Green with Garuba to 429 minutes and then compare
    or
    can I get KPj/Green with Fernando to 429 minutes and then compare
    or
    can I get KPj/Green with Jabari at center 429 minutes and then compare



    That or go by the first 184 minutes/75 minutes/99 minutes of Sengun
    _____________

    Why because Jabari/Mathews/Sengun stunk it up from 3 earlier in the season
    when Bruno and Garuba started the season. Skewing their small sample size numbers.

    If you don't think we have force feed Jalen/KPj with Sengun then you/they
    don't know basketball. The whole team stunk thru November.
    (Sorry for throwing this at you if you are only providing the #'s and not debating)

    But after being forced to play in that top lineup......players get use to one
    another to an extent. I'm saying once Bruno or Garuba get forced to
    do the same the numbers will jump up for the positive....now that
    Jabari is comfortable and Mathews is out of his funk.

    Not to mention the strength on schedule shines more in our favor after 30
    games vs earlier.
     
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    That’s not the way that works.
    It’s actually more impressive that their rating is higher with more than double the next guy.
    Point of diminishing returns. More game film for defenders.
    Like I told you already, Green and Alp work together far better than anyone else.
    He himself wants Alp running more offense.
    That shows a lot of intellect, he knows the game is going to be easier for him with Alp gravity and passing.
     
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    ORtg and DRtg can be misleading. There can be a number of reasons
    why numbers may be skewed.

    Did we play the same opponent at the same location?
    Same time of day?
    Same roster? Injuries?

    No
     
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    Sure..they can be misleading when Alp is the best match up.
    But when Fernando has a good +\- then it’s the end all be all.

    Stop it. Alp and Green work well, Green knows this. That’s all that matters.
     
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  7. ApacheWarrior

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    Can you show me lineups for games spanning over the last 4 games?

    Jabari for example shot 29.9% from 3 in the first 15 games but 44.4% from
    3 over the last 7 games.

    Mathews shot 31.0% from 3 In the first 9 games and then 44.7% from 3
    in the last 11 games.


    League has been in shape for weeks and you think Bruno misses 15 games
    and is fit to just jump in and look like it's game 60 for him. You're crazy.

    Spacing is huge on ORtg and DRtg comparisons. Bruno didn't have spacing in the first
    2 of his 7 games played.
     
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    So on the season, Alp and Green have been better and you’re confirming there was no spacing for them because of poor shooting from our shooters. Yet they still have a higher Off-Rating.
    The best lineup in differential has Alp and Green as well.
    You’re argument has no legs.
     
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    If you need stats to realize KPJ is a f*cking horrible point guard, you should avoid talking about basketball.
     
  10. ApacheWarrior

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    You want me to compare Bruno numbers
    vs:
    @Hawks
    Grizz
    Hawks
    @Nuggets
    @Nuggets
    @ Suns
    @Warriors

    Sure you're not loco !! Two home game. GTFOOH
    I'm sure every player in the league torch those teams as well

    Find me the same stats for Sengun in those same games. I want to see them.

    Have them Pixilated, Laminated and placed in a
    loose leaf binder and have it on my desk in the morning.
     
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    You’re the one with the wrong opinions. Look them up yourself, I’m not your damn lapdog.

    You just look dumb when you say incorrect things, just trying to help you out
     
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    Yeah, I mean, I look at this stuff all the time. I'll be monitoring it all season. We can definitely revisit it as Bruno gets more minutes. If things flip around then I have no problem admitting I'm wrong but currently I think Alperen is the best option at center, and I think he has great chemistry with Jalen.
     
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  13. ApacheWarrior

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    You look stupid for giving me stats of a player that has had home games and cupcakes like OKC while Bruno has faced top 4 talent only and you think you are out smarting me.

    You are bringing a letter opener to a gun figth
     
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    No you look like a buffoon because you’ve been proven wrong with stats.

    Also, you don’t even understand how much better it is that their rating is that much higher while having over double the min together.

    You should stop
     
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    No doubt, you are a fair person.

    There are definitely some flunkies here that are completely illogical.

    We wouldn't let them make experiments....as
    they see a bowling ball equal to a tennis ball merely because they are both round and that somehow makes all parts equal.
     
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    Not gonna lie, I was actually hoping he’d miss the second free throw. I wanted 5 more minutes.
     
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    Life under the microscope !!!

     
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    People are cracking on KPJ more in response to posters on the site than anything he’s doing. He’s a ok player who is much better than the price we got him for. So people act like he’s the second coming when he’s just a serviceable player.

    It’s a reaction to people putting Porter on a pedestal. They’re making Porter into this great big Greek god named 'Porterlia' and what they’re doing is that they’re psyching themselves into thinking that he’s accomplished some impossible feat.
     
  19. DaDakota

    DaDakota If you want to know, just ask!

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    No one is doing that, we are all just hoping he develops into a good player in a found money sort of way.


    DD
     
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    I said the exact same thing.

    I liked the entire game.

    The refs wanted to make it choppy as they called everything on both sides.

    This was a turning point game. I saw so many good things from our boys
     
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