KPJ: Can someone explain to me why he has become Clutchfans favorite whipping boy?

it's pretty obvious that anyone can b inflicted with bias. dd could b as knowledgable as he claims, but he has sht takes b/c his head is so far up kpj's ass.
Why else would he think that a 4th year vet has the same ceiling as Jalen green?

According to him kpj and green are about equal as a SG. ah yes a 4th year vet is similar to 2nd year. If a younger player in green is almost equal to a 4th year vet, it speaks volume to the great potential green has.

I honestly do not see what silas and dd see in kpj to enact that much adoration.

 

I do think KPJ and Green are about equal and have the same ceiling. I think KPJ is a better player than Green right now.

KPJ is way more skilled and Green is a better athlete...and they are both developing shooters and are streaky, but only one player has good handles that can get anywhere he wants on the court and that is KPJ - Green is all right handed, and in a playoff series would be shut down by people overplaying his right hand.

Green is the guy that has gotten by on athleticism his entire life and is now having to learn fundamentals - I think he will get there, I hope he will get there, but there is no guarantee. I know people WANT to believe he is a future NBA scoring champ but that is going to take a lot of work on this part to get there.

To me, KPJ and Green are very similar and close in abilities as SGs...yes.

DD

 

If you’re right and jalen green is a complete bust, we are pretty screwed for a long time short of getting wemby/scoot in this draft

 

Green is the guy that has gotten by on athleticism his entire life and is now having to learn fundamentals
yet he is somehow close in abilities to KPJ.

That alone speaks volumes.

 

That doesn't make him a bust......he is a decent SG now, JESUS ****ING CHRIST stop extrapolating out to fit a narrow narrative.

A bust....mother ****er....seriously......lol....no one ever said that,......NOW THAT is how you troll ladies and germs.

DD

 

When the Rockets end up giving a top 5 pick to OKC next season Stone will be gone and so will KPJ.

 

Maybe, maybe not. That trade was on Morey.

DD

 

Wow. I guess any criticism of KPJ is flat out hate or lazy. He is above reproach. "What about Jalen" is the only appropriate response to any legitimate critique.

Ok, I will follow the rules. Jalen has been horrible on defense. His 3 point shooting is streaky and wildly inconsistent. Although he looks better finishing at rim, he still gets his shot blocked and is still learning angles. So he needs drastic improvement in this area. He is skinny. He has small hands. His handle needs to get better. He is inefficient. His TS% is too low.

Is this also hate? I'll be sure to add a what about Jalen disclaimer, before discussing anything KPJ.

Sorry fellas, we used to be able to discuss all of our players strengths and weaknesses because it was about the team. Not feelings. Times have really changed around here.

 

Isn't that pick top 4 protected? Or am I misremembering

 

Yes….for a #2 pick it would make him a complete bust. Kpj in his 4th year is what, the 25th best player at his position? 20th? If jalen is the 20th best SG TWO years from now he will be a bust

 

pretty sure it is. similar to jalen green's year. could b wrong

 

what a weird ass interpretation
If u are looking at currently green is ahead of schedule.
He's the 20th best sg rn and he's only in his second year if he's already similar in abilites to KPJ.

 

It’s top 4 protected ya

 

He’s probably not the 20th best now, he’s significantly below that. Currently he’s inefficient and zero defense so I doubt he’s even top 30. But he’s so young, and if 2 years from now he’s where kpj is today it would be crushing

 

He's definitely top 20 lol. I can guarantee you the vast majority of shooting guards in the NBA that have a better efficiency than Green also have a lower unassisted fgm rate outside your current prime star off guards like SGA, Mitchell or Booker.

 

If u believe that than u are basically rejecting what DD is sayin in the first place about Green being equal to kpj a 4th year as a 2nd year.

Really doesn't make sense, u just said kpj is his 4th year is what, the 25th best player at his position? 20th? If green is similar in ability to kpj right now, he should b 20-25th logically.


i do agree that it makes sense that if 4th year green is only at the level of kpj now aka green didn't improve at all from his 2nd year, then that's troublesome.

 

Right now kpj (due to the recent hot stretch) is better then green. I’m just guessing at the rankings, I haven’t gone through and rated everyone

 

I'm not sure about this. I think I can come up with at least 20 shooting guards who are better than Jalen Green is right now. He's still very raw. He is likely to be better than a lot of those guys if he continues to improve, but in terms of winning impact this season, I don't think Jalen is top 20. It's hard to define players by position these days, though, because of how positionless the game has become.

 

What is winning impact?

Is Mobley going to impact winning on a team like this?

Again, I brought this up before but it shows how poorly this team is run that Green as an off guard has lower assisted fgm rate than lead playmaking ball handlers like LaMelo.

The situation Green is in is making him not "impact winning".

 

This is actually a really interesting question and something I've thought about a lot. Not everyone agrees on what it means to be a "better" player. I remember having this discussion like 3 years ago and the question was who is a better player, Westbrook or Jrue Holiday? Westbrook obviously does way more, he's a way better dribbler, way better passer, way better at getting to the rim, I could go on. He's a way better "hooper" and it's not close at all. If we're playing at the YMCA and you've got Westbrook plus four guys off the street vs Holiday plus four guys off the street I'm pretty sure Westbrook's team wins by like 50 points. Even in the g league, you'd win a lot more games with Westbrook than Jrue Holiday. But if you asked the top 10 teams in the league which player they'd rather have, 10 out of 10 of those teams are picking Holiday. So who is a "better" player? Who has a higher winning impact? It's a nebulous concept for sure.

But regardless, even if Green was being used optimally and to his strengths, I still don't think he's a top 20 SG this year. To put it another way, if you went to every other team before this season started and swapped their starting SG with Jalen Green, would that team win more games or less games, just this year? I think most teams would win less games if they had Jalen Green