KOC: "I've been told Morey would offer Ben Simmons plus more"

thus the question...who is Ben Simmons? Is he a shiny toy that can win the regular season but get exposed in the playoffs for his lack of shooting, or a guy that can be an alpha on a championship team?

look at Giannis. We still don’t know if he can be the guy...all because he can’t shoot. It’s a legit question.

 

The best player we'd be getting from BK (LaVert) has an injury history worse than Simmons

 

What do you mean a player like Simmons? He's far from a generational talent. he's a 20 ppg scorer with no jump shot. You have to have a jump shot in today's NBA, period. Jrue Holiday netted 3 1st round picks. That means the haul for Harden should be at least double that. Getting Simmons and a couple of picks from Morey would be highway robbery. Simmons AND Embiid, AND picks would make it closer. I wouldn't want to do that either, though. I want to ship him to some combination of teams that will net us like 10 1st round picks if you count future swaps.

 

True but they have not been chronic. Spencer is solid as well too. None of the offers are perfect. Maybe we should go the pelicans route and be patient and just wait for a better offer.

 

Look I think we can pencil in Tilman doing the dumbest thing possible, so don't get your hopes up.

 

What is the fascination of getting picks in the 20s and 30s? Is that better than Ben Simmons? I am not saying he is perfect but he is the best talent so far rumored

 

If it's Simmons without much draft asset-wise beyond that I think I like the Nets package if they give us every draft asset they can better.

If we get Simmons we are going to be on the clock with him to build a championship caliber team in the next few years. Our timeline will probably be longer than that.

 

And two years older!

 

If we get a bunch of future assets from the Nets the gamble is those picks might be a lot better than the late 20's as KD/Harden/Kyrie age.

 

HOT TAKE: MATISSE THYBULLE IS BETTER THAN ANY ASSET THE NETS WOULD OFFER.

you take the Simmons/Thybulle/3FRP/2Swaps every second of every day if Harden is really forcing his way out.

 

Even so will they produce a player as talented as Simmons. Its like buying magical beans in the hopes to get a player like a Simmons in the draft.

 

Exactly. People here are acting like crazy.

There is zero reason to let the Nets offer dictate the market.
Harden is under contract for 2 more seasons not some expiring.

 

I think Jarrett Allen is pretty undervalued around here, dude is 22, good defender and rebounder, and his shot is already decent, his form isn't bad either, i can see him being a really good center in a couple of years. But yeah, that kind of Philly offer would be much better overall, i don't think that's even debatable.

 

Why? This has been the case for years.

 

It makes no sense financially for Tillman also. The Nets deal will give you no one that will put butts in the seats or views on television for the next few years. Simmons will draw national coverage and fan excitement.

He would be incredibly dumb to chose the Nets package over the Sixers.

 

Cash Considerations should be your friend then.

 

It's not a choice of Simmons or magical beans.

It's magical beans AND someone like Simmons. Or 2 Simmons caliber young players.

For a team to be able to trade for Harden they should bankrupt themselves of most of their assets.

 

I’ll be back in a New York minute if this happens.

 

Only a 20 ppg scorer? I thought you watched basketball. Not only is he a scorer but a playmaker and rebounder and a great defender. Also he generates more 3 pointers for his teammates than anyone else since joining the league. He is not perfect but he is better than getting a bunch of magical beans hoping to find someone with his talent in the draft.

 

not suggesting that. But I wouldn’t accept an offer that doesn’t get you closer to a championship. If we think one of the top picks in the draft is a championship type player and Simmons is not, then make that deal. Pretty much guaranteed we could send harden to Minny or GSW if we wanted #1 or #2, and get more!

obviously Simmons wouldn’t be available if he could shoot, but he can’t, and going into his 4th season, he’s unlikely to figure it out.