Kobe's taped interview is out in text. Super long. 2 part.

If Chick were still alive, this certainly would've killed him.

 

What micah1j said...

 

Kobe <----Got burned by cheating on his wife. A settlement will cost him! $$$ Serves him right! But, he doesn't deserve to go to jail. Why...

Michelle <----Promiscuous, deviant, party girl. Not a novice. Not a virgin. Saw an opportunity and took it. The legality of rape in this case is "he said, she said." The evidence sways in favor of Kobe because there wasn't a struggle, or vaginal tearing. No struggle (leans more consensual sex). So, it comes back to "he said, she said." Couple that with her past. I just don't feel sorry for her either. It leads me to believe she took advantage of the situation. Especially if she takes the MONEY (millions!).

 

LOL. If I dont trust 100% of what the suspect CLAIMED, then it's equivalent to I trust 100% of what the accuser CLAIMED? What if I claim "I'm about 99% sure that he did rape her" after reading the accuser's transcript, convincing huh?

 

Wow people really read the defendant's transcript like the judge's statement. No struggle or vaginal tearing?

Maybe this article would give u another perspective of the case. It's written before dismissal of the case.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2004/magazine/08/31/scorecard0906/

 

This is why the dismissal occurred. The thought of having her previous sex life exposed. This would harm her case. You still think there was a violent struggle? Really?

What would you do if you had consensual sex with a woman? Then you went your separate ways...Later she finds out she had vaginal bruising (because you were BIG and she was small). Because of who you were (rich NBA player), she had second thoughts and decides to press rape charges against you.

Do you see how easily this can be done?

It would have been real interesting to get her on the stand and ask her, "Did you willingly give oral sex to the defendant?" And the questions just gets worse after that.

If she's lying about the alleged rape. I would *want* her (as Kobe's defense lawyer) to deny the oral sex first. Then, we go from there.

All I'm saying is that something smells fishy (pun not intended).

And I'll withdraw my original statement " The evidence sways in favor of Kobe because there wasn't a struggle, or vaginal tearing." to "...if there wasn't a struggle, bruising, or vaginal tearing..." Just makes you wonder why this didn't sway the judges decision.

Is this a classic "venus fly trap (changed her mind after the fact)?" Or a situation where she changed her mind mid-point (during sex)?

 

Davids,

To make it simple. I have no idea what happened in the room and I hope the case would have gone to trial so that hopefully the truth could be found there. My general feeling is that the case was dismissed due to the incompetence of the prosecutors and the judge (or his staff?) rather than lack of evidence. I feel extremely uncomfortable when people claim the accuser is "gold digger", "psycho" or "slut" (not direct at u). This feeling would be irrational but what if the accuser was telling the truth (even it's 10% chance) and how would she endure these accursation again? Imagine she's someone u care about! About the oral sex. I really dont know. Some people claim that she should expect what would happen when she "went to the room alone". Same could be said about "kiss" or "oral sex". From my point of view, whenever one of the party ask to stop and MAKE IT CLEAR, the other party should stop immediately. Easier said than done.

I dont know why I'm posting on this thread because I have no idea of what happened in the room, but I find it funny that some people seems to decide they know what REALLY happen after solely reading the defendant's transcript.

 

True. This is the legal definition of "rape." As soon as the victim says, "stop" the perpetrator should "stop" and if he doesn't, it's legally, rape (violence or not). This is true. Makes you wonder what "make it clear" really means? A murmur or whimper? We don't really know what happened...But what clouds this case (and I'm not *only* using this defendants statements; other factors too) is all the other evidence is tallied. This is why we must look at other factors, like tone of voice, demeanor, status, motive, past history, interviews, etc...

Let me throw a monkey wrench in....a hypothetical...just for "fun."

Kobe: "Lets do it."
Michelle: "Ok..."
(sex act occurs, with consent...)
Michelle: "Stop, you're hurting me..."
Kobe: "Ok, I've stopped..."
(sex act stops)

Now. What has occurred? Not rape, right? But guess what? There possibly could be vaginal tearing and bruising. Especially if she said, "stop it hurts." Right?

At this point, it's in Michelle hands what she will do. She could allege "rape," even if Kobe did stop after she told him to. What's bad on Kobe's part is that penetration had occurred already (he's screwed!). <---venus fly trap! The only thing that matters in conviction of Kobe is to PROVE that Kobe didn't stop after she said to. The burden of proof. Beyond a reasonable doubt.

Now it becomes "he said, she said" all over again...

Michelle: "I said stop..."
Kobe: "No you didn't."
Michelle: "Yes, I did!"
Kobe: "Well, if you did. I would have stopped."

On and on we go...

But you are right. We don't know what really happened. Only the two of them do. We can only paint a picture of probability.

 

nah, kobe raped her.

 

How many girls or guys have you raped in your lifetime? You sound like a very experienced fella. Maybe you can give us an insight on how these things go.

You know one interesting about the law of averages? It tells me that technically and logically many guys and gals here may have raped or commited rape without knowing. Let me put is this way - has girl or guy asked you to stop and then you went for one or two more pumps? Or maybe try to push the envelope be it anal sex or whatever? Be honest. Hey guys/gals think hard...

 

i thought there was? didnt the detectives even tell him this in the interview?

 

I thought Michelle was the name of the other girl that Kobe sleeps with on a regular basis, not the one that pressed charges. Or am I just way off base...

 

Yeah, that's right.

 

http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/state/article/0,1299,DRMN_21_3225132,00.html

Kobe files released

Alleged victim had planned to keep hotel incident quiet

By Charlie Brennan And Jeff Kass, Rocky Mountain News
October 2, 2004

EAGLE - She was going to stay quiet.

That was one of the revelations in the Kobe Bryant sexual assault case files released Friday by the Eagle County Sheriff's Department: The alleged victim's first reaction was to keep the whole thing to herself.

A transcript of investigators' interview with her ex-boyfriend, Matt Herr, who she called an hour after her encounter with the Los Angeles Lakers star, shows she intended to keep it a secret - as she claims Bryant ordered her to do.

Asked what she told Herr in the 12:30 a.m. phone call on July 1, 2003, just an hour after she left the Lodge & Spa at Cordillera in Edwards, Herr said, "That she just wanted to forget about it and that nobody would believe her."

But she did not forget about it. Urged on by both Herr and a co-worker at the Cordillera, she sat down later that day with investigators and described how Bryant allegedly raped her, his hand wrapped around her neck, and ordered her to tell no one what happened.

She told detectives that after the alleged assault, "that's when he started, 'This is just between the two, the two of us. Nobody is going to know about this; you're not going to tell anybody.'"

She hoped for autograph

The most compelling material in the 354 pages released Friday is the 31-page transcript of what she said that day during her videotaped statement at the Eagle County Sheriff's Department.

"I wouldn't say he was choking me," she said in response to questions from Detective Doug Winters. "I could breathe, but he had his hands tight enough around my neck, so that I thought he would choke me."

She added that Bryant "continually had one hand around my neck and with his other hand, pushed me over to the side of the two chairs, um, turned me around and bent me over and lifted up my skirt."

She said "no," she told investigators, when Bryant lifted up her skirt. She said "no" when he removed her underwear.

"Did he hear you?" Winters asked.

"Yes, he did," said the resort employee, who had been excited to meet the star and said she had gone to his room with a marker and paper, hoping for an autograph.

She knew he heard her, she claimed, "Because every time I said 'no' he tightened his hold around me."

Willing to testify in court

Near the conclusion of the interview, in which the young woman admited she entered Bryant's room expecting he might "make a move" on her, she was asked if she would be willing to submit to a lie detector examination. Yes, she said.

"Are you willing to testify in court?" she is asked.

"Yes."

But 14 months later, that answer became "no." On Sept. 1, three days into jury selection for Bryant's highly anticipated trial, Eagle County District Attorney Mark Hurlbert announced that one of the most closely watched criminal cases in recent Colorado history was going no further.

The alleged victim, he said, no longer wished to testify because of the accumulated stress, part of which stemmed from the release of embarrassing details concerning her personal life.

Most specifically, Bryant's legal team had turned the focus on the woman, alleging that vaginal injuries prosecutors blamed on forced penetration by Bryant were instead the result of multiple partners in a short period of time.

When the case was dismissed, it did not leave the six-time NBA All-Star totally in the clear, however. The young woman has filed a federal lawsuit against him.

Bryant issued a statement after the charges were dismissed saying he wanted "to apologize to (the alleged victim) for my behavior that night and for the consequences she has suffered in the past year."

Woman gave Bryant tour

According to the police summary of her statement released Friday, the alleged victim said she worked late so she could meet Bryant and make up some missed hours.

She showed Bryant to his room after his 9:30 p.m. arrival and made arrangements to return and give him a tour.

After the tour, Bryant invited her into the jacuzzi. She said she wanted to leave, but Bryant persisted and she finally consented "to get herself out of the situation," according to the report.

But they never made it to the jacuzzi. They kissed for five minutes.

"She told him she needed to leave," the report says, but Bryant started to rub her vagina from outside her underwear, she said. He then began choking her and dropped his pants.

"She stated she told him she needed to leave," according to the report. She said she tried to leave, but Bryant blocked her way.

"She stated she began to give in at this point because she was fearful of what he may do to her," the report said. "She thought possibly physical harm."

Different details The alleged victim said different things to different people, according to reports. She told a nurse, for example, that Bryant told her to kiss his penis after sex, but she did not originally tell that to detectives.

Also, she told Herr that she had showered before she was examined for sexual assault.

But she later said she didn't and only told Herr that "because she wanted him to get off her case about calling the police. "

Another issue involved the cleanliness of her panties - a subject that became relevant because forensic tests showed the presence of Bryant's DNA and that of another man.

"She stated she packed the panties in the bag for (a work) function," the transcript said. "However, when I asked her if she was certain they were clean, she hesitated and stated she was fairly certain they were."

'Sorry for inconvenience'

And in words that appear somewhat prophetic, the transcript of Bryant's interview captures Detective Dan Loya apologizing to Bryant bodyguard Mike Ortiz as investigators take Bryant in for his "rape kit" examination. "Sorry for the inconvenience for you guys," said Loya.

Ortiz, whose boss went on to spend several million dollars defending himself, replied, "You don't even know."

The excerpts

Included in the 354-page Eagle County Sheriff's Department Kobe Bryant case file released Friday was a transcript of the 20-year-old alleged victim's first interview with police.

• Upon returning to Bryant's room at the Cordillera, after giving him a brief tour, the alleged victim told Eagle County sheriff's Detective Doug Winters: "He proceeded to try and convince me to come back in 15 minutes, which I told him I would, just so I could get out of there, and then I was just gonna leave and not come back. Um, I just stood up to leave, he stood up, asked me to give him a hug. I gave him a hug and he started kissing me and I let him kiss me. And the kissing continued. Then he took off his pants. And that's when I tried to back up and leave. And that's when he started to choke me."

Winters: "Did he know you were trying to leave?"

Alleged Victim: "Yes."

Winters: "How do you know that?"

AV: "Because I kept trying to back away and move towards the door."

Winters: "OK. So and then what happened?"

AV: "That's when he continually had one hand around my neck and with his other hand pushed me over to the side of the two chairs, um, turned me around and bent me over and lifted up my skirt."

Winters: "Are you telling him anything at this point, now?"

AV: "At that point I was just kinda scared, and I said 'no' a few times."

Winters: "How do you know he heard you?"

AV: "Because every time I said 'no' he tightened his hold around me . . . And then he would lean his face in real close to me and ask me questions."

Winters: "What would he ask you?"

AV: " 'You're not going to tell anybody, right?' "

• After detailing the alleged assault, the young woman is asked to clarify certain points.

Winters: "OK. Um, had you led him on at any time during this event, where he would have believed that maybe he was led on?"

AV: "Yes."

Winters: "At what point?"

AV: "When I was walking to his room and showing him, showing him around, he was being flirtatious with me and I was flirtatious back."

Winters: "OK, and why were you doing that?"

AV: "Part of me was excited that he was Kobe Bryant and he was showing interest in me, and part of me was trying to, I don't wanna say being a good employee, but being nice, I guess."

Winters: "Did you think anything like this was going to happen earlier in the evening?"

AV: "I had some idea that, cause he was showing interest in me and being flirtatious, asking me how old I was, asking if I had a boyfriend, so a little part of me thought that he was gonna try and make a move on me."

Winters: "And what, what did you think at that point?"

AV: "I thought making a move on me would be kissing me, and that was it. And I thought that was fine."

Winters: "OK. You had no intentions of sleeping with him?"

AV: "No."

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Didnt mean much to me. But for those who thought they have found the "truth" after reading the defendant's transcript, they might as well read the other side's story before making judgement.