You can't make judgements like that, who knows how a woman is going to react in that situation, she may scream, fight back, do nothing, etc., you can't make a broad judgement like that. Not to say Kobe is guilty, but I just find statements like these narrow minded. You just don't know. If you were in prison being gang raped, would you scream, who the hell knows, what would be going through your mind.
Good post. Just responding to this point, I agree. It almost seems like if it didn't cross his mind what he was really doing. He used some force, it worked, so he kept going. On the other hand, according to her, he did ask "You won't tell anyone what happened, right" so he had to know something was not right.
I find it incredibly appalling that this argument is playing out along racial lines. I would not defend a rapist, regardless of whether or not he was from the same racial background. We don't know that he's guilty, but at this red hot moment, we do not have a shred of evidence that says he is innocent. Not one shred. Everything points towards guilt. The fact that some people are turning this into a black vs white thing is just absurd.
From what has come I have to say I think the verdict will be not guilty. Even if you are 95% sure the victim's story is true, you have to rule innocent. This is America, does suck for victims sometimes but if you were falsely accused you would want the same protections. To me in this case there will have to be totally unambigious physical evidence (couldn't remotely have happened in a consensual encounter) to deliver a guilty verdict--maybe there is that kind of evidence, I doubt it (even then you have to show it almost certainly was do to Kobe Bryant's hands, and a pattern unlikely another could have done). If there was at least 1 witness who saw Kobe hold her down or even a neighbor guest who heard help or a scream I agree that would bolster the prosecutions case, but I have not heard that. Like another said if it boils down to he said versus she said there is almost no way Kobe won't be exonerated if the jury does its job with the system in place. I just don't see a guilty verdict happening. If it does, I have little doubt Kobe will deserve his sentence and more. Those that say Kobe should not play regardless of the outcome sound like they grew up in Cold War Russia or China. This is the land of the free.
Who's turning it into Black or White, if you read my post in response to Another Brother, you see I defended the fact that the alleged victim didn't scream. The only thing absurd is you and your race baiting, nice try though.
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DS, The evidence is the vaginal tearing. According to the nurse, it did not show signs of consensual sex. Is this just one nurse's opinion or a general indication of rape? We really don't know until the trial starts or ends. Of course a witness helps, it does in all cases but to need a witness for a rape conviction would probably mean 95% of all accused rapists would get off. Vaginal tearing is more than enough evidence. I think Kobe should also be allowed to play. He is still innocent until proven guilty.
I forgot to mention that before. I don't think it is as compelling as the journalists make it out to be. I think, at the time, he was worried that she would go blabbing about having sex with a famous athlete and he was worried about his sterling reputation and his relationship with his wife. I don't think he meant, "don't go telling the cops about this." He knew at least that he was committing adultery. Pgab, I was just sharing my impression. I know it is relatively uninformed but it is just my opinion. I don't see why that should garner a reproach.
AU cantrare mon freir I have to say this much... and I am not being fececious (spelling) or condescending or an apologist. Vaginal and Perineal (pelvic floor area) lacerations are common. If you take into account Kobe 6-6 or 6-7 whatever he is... and this girl probably 5-5 there is a size difference there. also during "vigorous sexual intercourse" this can happen I am sure one of Kobe;s witnesses will be a gynecologist and I am sure that this point will be argued that these injuries can occur during normal intercourse take that for what you will
don't you think the rape nurse took that into account? i think it's fair to assume the nurse knew who kobe bryant was and was aware of the size differential.
I agree that vaginal tearing occurs during "rough" sex. But, there are guidelines as to whether or not the tearing is such or if it was due to rape. I fully expect Kobe's team to have an expert witness to talk about the vaginal tearing. My point is that vaginal tearing could be enough to warrant a rape conviction. In fact, vaginal tearing consistent with rape SHOULD be enough. Is that the case? We'll soon see. I hate the French!!!
another thing.... i'm 6'4. my girlfriend is 4'10. that's a larger differential than kobe and his accusor. her and i get pretty damn vigorous, and there has never been vaginal tearing so severe that it would leave blood on clothing. to get that buckwild would - undoubtedly - be painful for the female and i'm quite sure she'd let you know so. proceeding after this point would be rape...even if it was intially consentual.
Also, if she was not aroused, and if she was in uncomfortable position, that would little to a great chance of tearing, right? I would think that if it was consensual, she would have been aroused and put herself in a more comfortable position, reducing the chances of tearing.
a nurse wouldnt know. You cant a vaginal tear is a tear. whether it be from rape or rough sex. You can tell if an injury is caused by a penis or something else but rthats not hte case
i disagree. the nurse said the tearing "was not consistent was consensual sex." that IS differentiating between rape and rough sex. during rough sex, as Mr. Clutch pointed out, the woman is still aroused, naturally lubricated, and relaxed. all of three of those reduce the chances of vaginal tearing occuring. remove those, and you have a dry sammich with no mayo. the bread starts to tear.
and I (respectfully) disagree with you because as you state lubrication occurs with arousal but tears still occur. And a nurse can not always tell that I assure you. I am confident for this because I took a class on forensics medicine and I am a physician myself. also an acquaintance of mine and his girlfriend got married jes 6 foot 2 shes like 5'5 etc. when they had sex for the first time she had to be admitted to the hospital because of tears and lacs. It was not rape...it was consensual. that being said I agree with all of you I hope he gets the favor returned to him IF he is GUILTY but this story is too convuluted it is not straight forward she says whatever she wants and does not have to answer to anyone etc...
Statements like WHAT are narrow minded? That whether she screamed or not would prejudice me in either direction? Dude, you're establishing a pattern that I am not comfortable with, if you want to impress your friends here do it at someone elses expense. BTW I was a cop for half a decade in Houston and had to make calls to the DA's office many times in cases such as this. Hopefully that helps to classify my "BROAD JUDGEMENT".
