Maybe around her face, neck, or arms, but I do not see how bruises around "her vaginal" area can ever really prove that there was a struggle.
her friends say she had bruises on her face... but i'm thinking bruising in the vaginal area is not generally common...maybe i'm wrong. i've only been married for 6 years!
Max, you obviously haven't been doing it right! Since I started posting semi-related articles, here's another from FindLaw about the he-said-she-said arguments that keep popping up: http://www.cnn.com/2003/LAW/07/24/findlaw.analysis.dorf.kobe.bryant/index.html The short version is he's arguing that it is up to the jury to judge the credibility of witnesses and it is possible to convict a case like this even without any evidence if Bryant looks terrible on the stand. Here's the long version:
man the more i hear about it the more i think....would this case have even been brought if kobe wasn't a millionaire superstar ball player? nope. it really sounds like kobe was too big for her and she wanted him to stop and he didn't. it's funny because i heard this old lady call on a radio talk show program and say "well kobe is a big man and well big guys like him are normally big all over and well maybe he hurt her like that". i'm starting to think she is dead on.
It gets even more complex than that. What about when a woman says no, but she means yes? Or she says no, but she means she wants you to keep trying, so she doesn't look easy when she consents? Or she means no right now, because you have not expended enough time yet with foreplay? There is obviously a difference between a mumbled no while breathing heavy, from a stern no and the woman jumping out of the bed. And there may be shades of gray between the two extremes.
That's why the physical evidence becomes more important...and maybe even witness testimonials of suspicious noises coming from the room (I don't mean moaning...I mean screams/yells, maybe of "help" or "no", or sounds of a struggle).
i don't understand your point at all. people are charged with rape everyday...and those people come from every walk of life.
A lot of times it not so much the style of sex, but the person themselves. I used to have a girlfriend who used to bruise not only "down there", but pretty much everywhere very easily. Although if this girl has bruises on her face and neck too, Kobe is in deep ****.
In regard to the bruising, you have to keep in mind that Kobe is a big guy and this girl in the picture looked pretty petite but her having bruises certainly raises my suspicion level but then again people do get bruises during sex so who really knows. I wonder where the bruises were and how bad. Kobe's not looking so good right now.
With the prosecution having made none of its evidence public, it is too early to gauge the strength of the case against Bryant. Certainly he, like everyone, is entitled to the presumption of innocence. But if and when the case goes before a jury, Bryant's word alone may not be enough to prevent a conviction. Let it be, folks, and let the jury and judge decide what is fact and what is fiction.
Some of you guys are jerks. When a woman says "NO", you say "NO?" and if she says "NO" again, then you stop. End of story.
I was thinking the same thing. When i went to college, it was a guy who put 2 women in the hospital. One would think that after the first chick went to the hospital, his days of sex were seriously limited, but another chick wanted to see if it was true. He sent her to the hospital and the doctor told her whoever she had sex with, it would be advised not to do so again. A woman can squeeze a baby out if she knows how to work her muscles, but if she's a inexperienced person similar to this young lady and if Kobe is "blessed" , then vaginal tears could occur without rape.
When I lived in Oregon, there was an incredibly sad case of statutory rape (no, I was not a suspect, and that's not funny). It involved a guy working in a group home with mentally challenged people; the guy had consensual sex with a grown woman who had the mind of a six-year-old basically. She really liked it, she said, but due to her mentality, it was rape. Anyway, I can still hardly believe this, but the guy's really horrible lawyer (bargain basement, I guess) came up with the "one-inch penis" defense. I kid you not. It was all over the papers for a while. He even had his client offer to show his member to the court, saying "I really couldn't hurt anybody with this." As if that's the point? The court did not take him up on his offer. Needless to say, the defense lost the case, and the guy went to jail.
http://www.nypost.com/news/nationalnews/2323.htm August 4, 2003 -- The woman accusing Kobe Bryant of rape tearfully told a bellhop minutes after the alleged attack that that she had just been "forced to have sex" with the NBA superstar, according to a new report. Friends and co-workers of the accuser told Fox News correspondent Rita Cosby that the 19-year- old hotel worker's clothing was torn when she spoke with the bellhop. The claims could significantly bolster the charge levied by the alleged victim. It also is apparently the first time that someone has said the woman reported the alleged rape to another person immediately after her June 30 encounter with Bryant in his hotel room - instead of revealing it the next day, as had been previously believed. That would support the idea that she did not concoct the story. Judges in rape cases often allow testimony by third parties about so-called "excited utterances" made by an accuser right after an attack. Fox reported that Bryant's accuser, after leaving his room the night of June 30, looked "shocked and upset" when she went to the lobby of Lodge & Spa at Cordillera, according to a woman who, like the accuser, is a hotel employee. The accuser's friends and other workers at the Edwards, Colo., hotel told Fox the accuser was driven home by the bellhop minutes later. Friends and colleagues said the bellhop "was told immediately by the accuser that she was . . . 'forced to have sex with Kobe Bryant,' " according to Fox's Cosby The accuser's friends said the bellhop saw the woman crying and wearing "visibly torn" clothes, according to Fox. Bryant, 24, has denied raping the woman, although the married Los Angeles Laker guard admits to having had consensual sex with her. He was arrested July 4 - three days after undergoing knee surgery in Vail - and two weeks later was formally charged with sexual assault. Meanwhile, Bryant was named favorite male athlete at the 2003 Teen Choice Awards, which he attended in L.A. with wife Vanessa on Saturday. In accepting the award, he paraphrased the Rev. Martin Luther King Jr. "An injustice anywhere is an injustice everywhere," Bryant said at the show, which will be broadcast Wednesday, the same day he is due in an Eagle courtroom for a hearing in the rape case.
