Is your memory as poor as my 70 years old grandma? The best center in the league spent more time in the training room and on the court last season when we took the Jazz to game 6. Can you say for sure that Kobe could have done better? Why don't you move your ass to Lakersground if you love Kobe that much?
...spent more time in the training room than on the court last season when we took the Jazz to game 6...
Can you read? I was talking about TWO years ago! I don't blame TMac on losing last year, but I certainly would blame him for losing in Mavs and the 1st Jazz series.
Agreed. Why couldn't the best center in the NBA get a defensive rebound with Game 7 on the line, at home? Why couldn't he get it done against Okoozer, with home court advantage?
I agree--sort of. I only say sort of because I think Kobe is an arrogant ass and I'd love nothing more than for the Rockets, TMac or no TMac, to send him home packing. The thought of him in a Rockets uni almost wants to make me puke. But I can't deny that he'd make our team much better. Anyway, this thread is silly. Kobe is far better than TMac. There is no point in even having this discussion.
The best center in the league scored 15 points in 4th quarter in game 7. Lead the team back from 6 point deficit to 5 points lead. Then let's check TMac's performance since 5 minutes mark http://www.nba.com/games/20070505/UTAHOU/playbyplay.html 5:08 [UTA 88-88] 4:46 McGrady 3pt Shot: Missed 4:28 McGrady Fade Away Jumper Shot: Missed 0:09 [HOU 99-101] McGrady Driving Layup Shot: Made (29 PTS) Our best clutch player bricked two jumper and didn't get another shot until the game's in garbage time. How about that?
How do you figure that. I have seen Kobe play on teams without significant help 3 times....and it resulted in 1 trip to the lotto and 2 first round exits. Kobe is better than T-Mac by far, but everyone needs help to win. Kobe Bryant has had zero playoff success on a team that wasn't in the top tier of the league as far as talent is concerned.
I dislike the guys who kiss Kobe's ass while dissing Tmac as much as you do. But it's also idiots like you who try to turn every thread to a Tmac Vs Yao thread. There are enough threads out there to diss Yao already. Why did you feel the urge to start another battle ground here?
Kobe only needed an allstar big to succeed. That has been his MO his entire career, he works best with bigs. We had an elite recod (1st in the west) before Bynum went down and then 1st in the west at the end of the season with Gasol. Tmac has had yao who is an elite big and couldn't beat the Utah Jazz. He got shut down by Derek fisher. Tmac's playoff percentages in recent years are woeful.
Hmm, nice that you left out Odom....a 3rd wheel on the Laker team who actually posted better numbers against the Suns losses than Yao did against Utah. It's also nice that you left off the PG that constantly hits open jumpers (Fisher), compared to the one who is doing well to make 40% (Alston).
Kobe only needed an elite big? So Odom makes no difference? A solid PG like Fisher that shoots light's out in the postseason, and most importantly, hit's big shots....makes no difference? Etc?
Where was this clutchness from Kobe when LA blew a 3-1 lead against Phoenix? Where was this clutchness in the Finals against Detroit? Where was this clutchness against the Celtics last year?
Odom wasn't even playing well when the Laker's were 26-11 with Bynum tearing it up. The season prior, the Laker's again were tearing it up (before injuries) because Bynum started to blossom. It begins with the bigs my friend. Fisher, i can concede that though Fisher's defense is terrible. He might hit shots but gets burnt on the other end. Kobe was pretty damn clutch in that series. Go watch game 6 of the series to see. He did everyone humanly possibly to win that series and then some. Kobe doesn't shoot below 40% while his team loses. He actually upped his play in game 5, 6 and 7. He got shut down in both series. Has nothing really to do with clutchness.
I don't know about what ifs; all I know is we haven't even sniffed at the second round in a long long time.
My bad, but I didn't bring up the best center in the NBA, someone else did. But you're right, no good can come of this. My fault.
Right. Its championships that matter. Like Robert Horry, he's obviously one of the most dominant players of all time.
YAWN. i hope you are being sarcastic. Rachel Dawes to Bruce Wayne: It's not who you are underneath, but what you do that defines you. this includes what you've achieved. as a rockets fan more than a T Mac fan (and i am one of T Mac's biggest fans) I WANT THE ROX TO WIN CHAMPIONSHIPS. I CARE IF T MAC AND THE ROX GET SHAFTED IN THE FIRST ROUND. I mean honestly, what is the point to playing games if you don't care about championships?? If you don't care about championships then go watch AND1 ball. it's a lot more entertaining. oh yeah, what about kobe's 81 point game? has tmac done that? has he ever come close? take a chill pill. TMac is great but not the greatest by far. and definitely not greater than Olajuwon. Also, as another poster stated, when we lose it is ALMOST always T-Mac and Yao's fault. why? because theyre the leaders and stars. we win by them and we LOSE by them. sometimes the supporting cast underperforms but for example during the 22 game win streak, everyone overachieved.
If I remembered correctly, Kobe made his team better in the 4th quarter but TMac failed to do so. We can argue that TMac did not have the support as good as Kobe's in previous seasons. Now that Rox had a good bench, I sincerely hope that TMac can rest enough to regain the strength of his knee and lead the Rox deep into the playoff.
Was Odom playing better than whoever the 3rd wheel on the Rockets would have been (Battier, Alston...pick one)? The answer is yes. You keep talking as if 2 key pieces surrounded my mediocire players is enough, and it isn't my friend. That's why the Rockets went out and got Artest. He plays better D than our PG, and it's nice how you undermine the shots that he hit's. You can't leave him open, period. And again, he hit's BIG shots. You don't think it makes a difference to go from a PG like Parker to a solid option that won't miss like Fisher? And it's also nice how you conveniently forget that most considered the Lakers to have the best bench in basketball last season..... He upped his play in Game 7, when he chose not to shoot in the 2nd half (i.e. HE QUIT? he hasn't shot low %'s in 3 of the Finals that he has been in? You are not clutch blowing a 3-1 lead. You are not clutch quitting on your team in Game 7. Sorry....... Kobe is a better player than T-Mac, by far. But he has never won jack without significant help on his team. So considering that no team T-Mac has been on had significant help, I don't see Kobe leading us any further. Two stars, surrounded by crap, doesn't make a great team. Especially when yous star big is out for the playoffs or is getting outplayed by Okur in another one. Go look at Kobe's first round exits to the Suns, and you will see that his 2nd best player (Odom) was outproducing Yao.
Maybe U are right,TMAC has excellent skills , as good as KOBE except the spirit,which will power up the whole team
