Stupid T-Mac lover, T-Mac shooted 39.4%FG 25.0%3P 73.7 %FT and we lost at 3-4 in that series. Had kobe ever shooted so bad in the past three years? Kobe Playoff Averages Year FG% 3P% FT% 05-06 0.497 0.400 0.771 06-07 0.462 0.357 0.919 07-08 0.479 0.302 0.809 T-Mac Playoff Averages Year FG% 3P% FT% 05-06 went fishing 06-07 0.394 0.250 0.737 07-08 0.425 0.208 0.623
T-Mac in Toronto > Dream in Toronto T-Mac in Houston > Dream in Houston T-Mac in Orlando = greatest in existence
Kobe don't need to do that because he is far better than T-Mac. With him we had beaten the Jazz two years ago.
I'd rather have Robert Horry shoot the ball in the 4th quarter of a playoff game than anyone else on the Rockets today. don't use Rocket heroes disrespectfully in your analogy. don't blame me that there hasn't been anybody that clutch on this team.
What was Kobe's excuse when that team didn't go anywhere without Shaq? They missed the playoffs once. Got bounced in the first round twice. Would have happened again if they didn't rob the league in the Gasol trade. Oh and for the record, Gasol actually played during the playoffs. That must have been nice. Why doesn't Kobe have 4 rings? Because the rest of the team sucked in the finals. Kobe was mauled by the Celtics defense and the team didn't step up to help him. They were allowed to throw guys at Kobe at will. And averages do count. They have to. If they don't, why is Kobe better than Robery Horry? He doesn't have as many rings. I'm not trying to say T-Mac's better than Kobe or anything like that, but everyone tries to hang 0-7 over T-Mac's head and compares him to Kobe who has three rings. Kobe wasn't finals MVP for any of them I believe. That's Shaq. Kobe didn't get farther than T-Mac when he had lacking talent around him. I mean if Yao's going to be injured (not his fault, just saying), Shane is going to disappear, Luther's going to disappear, Rafer never appeared in the first place, etc. we're not going to go anywhere. Even if Yao is healthy, if Artest, Shane, Luther, Rafer, Barry, Brooks, etc. don't pitch in and help we will get bounced out of the first round again. Guaranteed.
Tinman, ur my man 100 grand, but as clutch as horry is or was, he was never counted on to keep the games in striking distance. Now, I really like Horry, but Mark Lemke was a playoff performer, but that doesn mean u want him doing most of the heavy lifting. I forgot the poster, but butler and odom were traded from a 2nd rd playoff team. Butler was a good player. Odom was better than anyone on the rox roster this side of tracy and yao. I mean if you lined up the lakers roster vs houston roster minus yao and bynum, after kobe, then tracy, every gm is taking 4 or 5 lakers before u get to the next rocket.
bigez, I'm not comparing Tmac vs Horry as in skill and talent. I'm just saying when it's that time to make a basket in a close playoff game, who are you going to pick? and if we get back on topic to Kobe vs Tmac. Kobe 10 out of 10 times, I would have that guy being the leader of my team. Remember last year when Tmac played so great in Utah but then was shut down in the 4th? Great effort, I don't blame him for that loss. However, if it were Kobe, that guy would have saved his best quarter for the 4th, he would have not slowed down at all regardless of injury. Yeah the Lakers are a more balanced squad than we are. Can't blame Tmac for that. But this stupid thread is about insecure Tmac fans that want reaffirm themselves as being relevant in this Rockets forum. I don't hate Tmac at all, I hate all the r****ds that actually think he's better than he really is. And any Rockets fan would drop Tmac for Kobe any day of the week, just as any Lakers fan back in the early 90s would have traded their entire team for Hakeem.
Yea, I agree here. Don't get me wrong guys, Kobe is better than Tmac individually. The stats don't lie, but I'm really tired of this "well Kobe has 4 rings" ****. We all saw the difference between Kobe/Shaq (in Shaq's prime no less) and Kobe/Odom, its multiple titles vs getting bounced out of the 1st round by the Suns. And to go even further than that, you have Phil Jackson. Without Phil Jackson they didn't even make the playoffs, he comes back next year and they at least make the playoffs (but again, get bounced by the Suns). Kobe is better than Tmac, and is probably a better post season player than Tmac, but you have to recognize what kind of help he had. Shaq and Phil Jackson could've been the difference between Kobe being Kobe or Kobe being Ray Allen.
1. We're not playing the Lakers yet 2. We're not near the playoffs yet 3. No thread I have seen yet induced this counter thread against Kobe This just shows how insecure and jealous some of the Tmac fans are here. Its quite embarrassing. Its early in the year, Tmac isn't even playing. We're not playing the Lakers and someone decides to start googling stats to prove something about Tmac to make him feel more secure and confident in being a Tmac fan. You could have at least waited til we play the Lakers.
Kobe proved he can at least go far in the playoffs without Shaq. Tracy has not proven anything. Why people idolize someone who has not been successful is beyond me. Basketball is a team sport. If your not able to make your team competitive when it counts, your not succesful.
orlando... he was unstoppable but he choked so hard you wouldve thunk he was giving john holmes head. granted there really was noone on that team and grant hill was on paid holiday.
Tinman, all I'm saying is since tracy has been in houston, he has been more responsible for his team winning than anyone not named james and duncan. That includes kobe. Lets just really look at the teams and players. Sura,barry,wesley,weatherspoon, bowen? Against dallas he had to put up 30 and shut dirk a pf down. I mean yao missed 35 games so deke and hayes played big minutes. Do u think deke and chuck could get gametime on la? C'mon. It doesn't matter cuz even if he wins a title,he'll only have 1.
Is Gasol better than YM? If your answer is no, then tell me why TMac+YM could't get past first round for 4 years. And in 2 of them both were healthy enough to play playoff. TMac could win 82 games in regular season without Yao and I would care less, it's all about winning in playoff.
Why is this year different from the last several years? The cast around him? Could it be possible they carry him to the conference finals?
Dude, stop flaming. Now I know you hate all the Rockets players on this team just like how much you hate the new fans. Who has said Tmac is better than Kobe? If you can read, they said Tmac could have done better (at least gotten passed the 1st round if he had as much support as Kobe). It's bad enough to a member who has reading deficiency. But it's worse if that member with reading deficiency try to attack the other posters because he can't read what they said correctly.
Why always blamed it on support? 2 years ago, Rox had the best center in the league, had homecourt advantage, even had 5 points lead with 5 minutes left in game 7 at home. Don't you think a clutch player should get it done?
