TMac hasn't had the same support as any of the aforementioned all-stars. Period. I'm not saying TMac is better than Kobe. I'm just saying that he isn't as bad as everyone thinks AND he is capable of taking this team to the finals this year, provided we are healthy. Last year - No Yao. 2 years before that - Our bench sucked. Orlando - sucked even more. Sure, I concede that statistics is not outcome determinative. But, if you can't see TMac's energy during the playoffs, than you're blind.
Wow, I really did not know that TMac's actually better than Kobe when it it really mattered (playoff). Don't let this secret leak out to the world, a lot posters think we can re-sign this guy with a 7-10M contract. 10M for a guy better than Kobe!
let's not diss the OP now. i think anyone with a sane mind in the world knows kobe >>> tracy. i think his purpose is to say that tracy is a great player and does step up in big games. he still remains our most dynamic player in the playoffs. and stay patient with the guy as he rehabs back and hopefully lead us to great things.
That's right, tell those Tmac haters! He's got that Houston Oilers in Buffalo type of Energy! You can't stop that type of Energy, even if you don't have Jim Kelly or Thurman Thomas! Tmac Haters = Buffalo Bills with Frank Reight
Its well known your disdain for Tracy, but let me ask you a couple of questions. Post shaq, with a 3-1 lead, kobe couldn't close out phoenix. Post Shaq, the 2nd time the couldn't win against the suns. Post shaq, lotto land. Last year, kupchak said they felt they would miss the playoffs when bynum when down, that's why they made the gasol trade. Also, last yr without gasol or bynum, the team was under .500. Now you wil never get a argument from me about who the better player, but to say the Rox wouldve beat utah with a hobbled ming 1 yr and without him the next, that's crazy. Yao is reported to be the best center in the league and bynum isn't close and gasol is good though. So how come Kobe can't get his team over .500 without either and tracy had a .670% without Yao? Its one thing to dislike, its another to skew impact.
Kobe can make Luther Head shoot better than 25%. Kobe can cut Yao's turnovers in half. Kobe would have gotten the benefit of the call when Finley stole the ball out of bounds, or any of the 80+ "blown" calls that day.
Its funny how people can state stats as if it describes everything about a player. I don't care what the stats are, I will take Kobe over Tmac anyday. Tmac is a good player, but no where near where Kobe is and will never be. The determination, hustle, toughness and heart (as someone else have mentioned) defers the great and the good. Tmac is good, Kobe is great.
Most people (i.e not Tinman/Antisonic) considered him on the same level as Kobe for the majority of his career (2000-2006).
Of course Kobe is better than T-mac, I think the point of this thread is to show T-mac isn't as soft as people make him out to be.
Wrong, Tmac is better than Michael Jordan! Tmac is so good, he doesn't need to do anything to prove himself. anything!
lol at not tinman and antisonic... I agree that when he was in Orlando, people felt he could score just as easy or better than kobe. The potential is definitely there. But a great player is not just scoring. There are many players who can score a bunch, Carter is one of them, but that does not mean they are great players. Other factors make up greatness. anyway, just my view...
Hey hippocrit...I mean Tinman, why don't you go ahead and compare Cuttino and Tmacs numbers now, or rings for that matter.
Excuse = Last year - No Yao. Excuse = 2 years before that - Our bench sucked. Bigger Excuse = Orlando - sucked even more. When a player is good, you don’t have to make excuses for him. Great players make their teams better. Tracy is a great individual player that never learned how to be great within a team.
it's easy to say that "tracy never learned how to be great within a team" b/c he hasn't won in the playoffs. how can you not do that when you lead your team to 22 straight wins? he can do that. like i've always said, people said the same thing about KG (that he's not a big-time player when he was in minny and just wilts under pressure). didn't he choke in the finals and still won a ring? why? b/c he had others who pick him up. people said the same thing about peyton manning, that he is a loser b/c he never won a lick even in HS up to college to the NFL. then the year he won, it was more b/c of his defense than him tearing it up. the point is, it doesn't matter how great a player is, that player will need help. tracy cannot do this alone. he needs rafer, luther, and battier to make their open shots, not shoot 33%. if we advance this year, it's not going to be b/c of tracy. i expect we get THE SAME stats and performances from him this playoffs than any other playoffs. if we advance, it's b/c artest stepped up. it's b/c rafer made his shots and good passes. it's b/c brooks and landry and scola have matured.
why are you talking about Rocket's hero Cuttino Mobley in a Tmac vs Kobe thread? don't you know Tmac is better than Kobe? Doesn't the numbers tell you that? Tmac is better than Wilt Chamberlain! Stop hating.
