YM lead that comeback if you care to check play by play. TMac started 4th quarter on the bench. YM scored 15 points in that 4th alone. TM got 4 until the game's already lost. You proved my point again TM had good support and he couldn't get it done when it matters. TM quit with game on the line, inside 5 minutes mark, he bricked two jumpers, then never took another shot until 9 seconds left when we're already behind for 4 points. That's a quit, and very big insult to Rox fans for whom talking "it's on me" before the series. Kobe quit because they were behind 20+ 1 minute into 2nd half, and the team played no defense. Celtics could come back, Rox could comeback under Dream because they played defense. That's huge difference.
Thank you! How can someone back Kobe's reason to quit? It doesn't matter if they called his grandma names. He's not paid that much to quit. Whether they are down 39 in game 6 of the finals or down double digits in game 7 on the road. No one is saying T-Mac has failed to get it done. It's obvious he has. No one is saying T-Mac is better than Kobe. It's obvious he's not. But stop making Kobe such a martyr. He's had roughly the same results with roughly the same talent.
so him being responsible for all but 7 baskets is nothing? since you said yao had it going, so maybe they did go to yao late b/c he did score 15 points in the 4th? so how come yao didn't finish the game then since he's in a rhythm and he never faced double teams anyway? double standard? pretty funny
Dude scored 2 inside 5 minutes mark, the 2 coming from garbage time. He sucked not because he didn't score, but he didn't even try. Bricked 2 jumpers and never tried again. I wouldn't do that if I said "it's on me" before the series. You win you take the credit, you lose you take the blame, that's what leaders do.
Correct. T-Mac didn't play well that 4th quarter. He didn't get it done. He hasn't gotten it done his entire career. That is a different argument for a different day. T-Mac didn't quit though. He just didn't get it done.
There's no garbage time in a game that's tied with 5 minutes to go, and we're 4 down with :50 left or something like that. I'm sure T-Mac couldn't get it going again after going to Yao stopped working and we lost. I'm not saying he didn't fail to get it done, but he wasn't the only one who failed to get it done that season.
Or should we call him a ball hogger? Did he try to attract defense's attention without the ball, did he try to let the roles run some offense, did he try to do some screen for roles. Or he just asked for the ball once crossed half court, and either threw it to YM, or asked a screen for himself every time. And the offense just got stagnant? This is the same problem we saw this year, only TMac has less athleticism. Our roles never developed confidence, while Lakers' roles played better after years. Coincidence? I think not. No doubt TMac would get the assists numbers. Marbury avg 8 assists a game in his career.
are you serious with those assessments? i mean, really? if that's how you perceive tracy as a hall hogger, really? so he didn't make anyone better at all right? yet JVG still has tremendous things to say about tracy in terms of his playmaking and making his teammates better. heck, EVERY nba coach says that. but you're saying he's a marbury. i think the discussion needs to stop here.
that's really nitpicking dude. like i said, he scored 9 pts in the 4th overall. 16 pts in the 2nd half. 29 and 13 overall. responsible for all but 7 buckets. like i said, if one player puts up those #s and is called a quitter, i don't know what to say. it's like saying if yao got those rebounds. how many more possessions would we have? that's also nitpicking dude. you're saying no other great player depends on other guys to step up for them down the stretch? NOBODY? tracy had to do it himself?
I saw TMac's serious about his stats. He would feel happy in a loss as long as he got decent numbers. He would play way better than average in national broadcast (about 21/47% this season). That's why I bring up Marbury. Assists do not tell you the full story, superstar does wahtever it takes to win. In 2006, Kobe averaged 30/7/7 when they lost 7 straight, did he blame on support? No, he started to string 50 points, 4 times in a row to right the ship.
really? so he faked crying both times he lost games 7 to the mavs and utah? did he win an oscar for those performances? maybe he plays better b/c he has more rest in b/t when they had national TV games? check his stats when he had 2+ days rest (it's even better). but nah, rest is not a coincidence. he just likes to show off. but isn't every playoff game a national TV game. he struggles in a few. but nah, tracy is just fakin' it. he didn't blame support? not really. he just called them out. dissed them to strangers on video. dissed the entire organization for not getting him help. nah, those are nothing really. you're reaching dude. just stop.
How many bad/borderline choking playoff performances has Kobe had in his career? Do you want me to count them for you, again? I keep asking you to note these classic playoff performances when Kobe wasn't surrounded by top level talent, because T-Mac has never been on such a team. Are you going to continue to dodge this question?
I am done with goodbug. I have come to the conclusion that he is arguing just to argue, similar to my fiancée when she get's mad.
TMac IS a beast in the playoffs. He has just played on worse teams. Go check it out on basketball reference.com That said, TMac will never be Kobe. Kobe has a killer instinct and will do anything to win while TMac will not...
I am done with Icehouse too. He's pointing Kobe had these bad performance in playoff but neglected he had good ones. The point he couldn't accept is that TMac had no good ones. If you want to find excuses, you can always find some. But it's all said and done, a player is judged by his playoff success, not how his teammates suck.
do you argue just to argue? "the point is he couldn't accept is that tmac had no good ones (games)." you're right, at the end of the day, a player will be judged by his playoff success. and therefore, no one in this post has said "tracy is a winner" or a "legend." has anyone say those things to describe tracy? NOBODY. we're all saying tracy does step up, but has fallen short. hopefully him and his teammates can get over the hump this year.
