Kobe Lookin to Pass Hakeem on All Time Scoring List Tonight

The quote you quoted was talking about HOF help.

Artest is not a HOF player and even if you think he was a HOF player based off his career numbers he definitely does not look like a HOF player in LA.

 

It's certainly not Kobe's fault he didn't grow to be seven feet tall. And yeah, the Logo is certainly top 15 all time if you choose to look at things that way.

I just don't get it. I mean, I understand that Kobe's gonna pass our guy, but when he does it won't take anything away from the awesome career Dream had.

 

Well of course he would. HES A CENTER. But for a shooting guard to have the stats he has and the rings and game winners is amazing. Plus, when Kobe really plays defense hes no slouch either. Hakeem is down right amazing, but I think some people are a little blinded by their hate for Kobe and the homer in them as well.

 

Lulz .

 

Hakeem is the only center in the top ten in steals.

 

Why is it when Kobe Championships are talked about people want to bring up who he has played with?

When Jordan won nobody brings up him playing with a HOF sidekick.

Magic Johnson nobody brings up the players he played with.

Same for a lot of greats. But when Kobe is mentioned here comes the excuses as to why he has won titles.


If I didn't know any better I would think Kobe won all his titles as a bench rider.

 

No I was showing him he won three with Shaq, and one with Artest guarding all those wings so he could just play offense.

He has one where he was the main man (offensively) and damn he had a good helping cast. (Hakeem was the main man on both ends of the floor)

He is nowhere close to being undoubtedly better then Hakeem, that's ridiculous. Look up rebounds, blocks, era's - different factors.

I do agree it weird to even compare the two - I just get sick of the jocking for Kobe, especially on a Rockets board.

 

I'm not saying I agree with it, but comparing Kobe's situation to MJ's is ridiculous.

First, Kobe stepped into playing with a player who was already established as a top 5 player in the league before Kobe ever played a minute. Second, Kobe was not the best player on his first three championship teams.

MJ was the best player on every team he ever played for. And Scottie Pippen was a nobody from a small school in Arkansas before teaming up with MJ.

 

and? Hakeem had Clyde and only won ONE championship with him.

I am not slighting Hakeem, but you are slighting Kobe when you bring up his teammates.

Ever thought of it this way...Shaq would not have won those rings without Kobe...it works both ways.

 

Most guys that win titles have a good helping cast. You're not going to win a title without having help.

I can agree that his supporting cast was better than Hakeem's. I get what you're saying as far as him being compared to Hakeem. I guess I'm just ranting because in any convo about Kobe's championships it seems like people try to take away from what he has done. Not talking about you but just from reading on this board in the NBA dish.

 

I'm not comparing his situation exactly to MJ's. I'm just saying I think it's ridiculous to knock him for having good teammates.

Kobe wasn't the best player on his first three championships but he was veryyyyyy important to those Championships. People say he road Shaq's coattail to a title. To me that means people think he wasn't important to those Laker Championships which is ridiculous.

 

It's not jocking. Kobe is one of the best SGs to ever play the game. Let me say that again...Kobe is one of the best SGs to play the game.

Kobe only playing offense? You realize he's 8x all defense first team.

 

You can't mention Kobe and Dream's rings without a certain Clutch player that helped them win some rings.

 

You're correct, both would probably not have that gold if it wasn't for Horry. But no one brings up Big Shot Bob. Because B-ball is a team sport and to win a championship you need a lot of things to break your way.

 

The greatest players had the biggest impact on both offense and defense. Just putting Hakeem in immediately leads to an elite defense. Having the top shot-blocker of all time erases tons of points and intimidates the offense from going inside for high percentage shots. This is before we even talk about Hakeem's on the ball post defense and his steals. Kobe can be argued to be a better offensive player (it's debatable). But even if we accept that he is, Kobe's no where close to being a top 10 defender at his position and certainly no where near being an all-time defender. Hakeem had elite level offensive skills while being an all-time defender. If I had to start a team, I'd pick Hakeem because you'd have one of the best all time at both the offensive and defensive sides of the ball. Kobe would be great, but mainly for his offense.

 

Robert Horry didn't become Big Shot Bob because of the Lakers, it was because of Rudy T trying to trade him to Detroit, but the trade was rescinded because Sean Elliot failed his physical.

After that Horry, decided not to be tentative anymore and launch away in crunch time.

Forgotten in the legendary Dream vs David Robinson matchup was all those damn clutch 3 pointers Robert Horry dropped.

All the Rudy T players were players with heart, something you can't quantify.

Horry, Cassell, Dream, Elie, even Yao Ming

So when people think that the Clutch City was a one man team, it wasn't. We had one super hero on a team with other heroes.

Clutch City was the Justice League of the NBA. All those who hate Clutch City should be thrown in Arkham.

 

I "glossed" over Shaq because he's a given. It's pretty obvious he was a huge reason why Kobe has as many rings as he does.

Still... Artest is a bit of stretch, even when you try to factor in the "Artest's defense allowed Kobe to only play offense" argument.

 

*** Hobe & the Fakers....

Hakeem >>>>>>> all

 

Can't disagree with anything said here.

Even the Yao ming thing. I really think he was going to become unstoppable, he teased us with that Laker series. Taking over the game and beating the Lakers in game one. Whole team stepped up, it was reminiscent of great role players around a blooming Center. Really bad what has happened to Yao...

And all great teams have players like Cassell, Ellie, and Horry. Not exactly like it but i'm sure Laker fans have a special place in their mind for players like Ariza, Fisher, Odom...but not Rick Fox. F Rick Fox.

 

LOL, I met Rick Fox. I talked to him about his character in "He Got Game" instead of hoops.