I agree man, lebron is a showboating front-running scrub I cant stand this guy he has no class and lacks respects for his opponents with his pre-game and in-game antics posing for pictures and dancing on the sidelines and most recently rappin an eminem verse before he inbounds a ball dude is a joke and when he lost in the Eastern Conference finals last year he storms off the court without shakin the opposing teams hands and left Dwight Howard hanging and thats supposed to be his "friend" yea wat a friend lebrick is, Michael Jordan wouldve NEVER reduced himself to the immaturity level that is queen james he doesnt deserve anything that guy really rubs me the wrong way
You know what's a lack of class? Elbowing Shane Battier because he out hustled you and you're mad he beat you to a loose ball. Taking cheap shots at opponents because they're playing good D on you. Hitting your teammates because you're upset your team is losing.
Lol they won the East and then were murdered by the Spurs. They beat a decent team on the decline in the Pistons I will give them that but it was hardly the toughest run. Any team in the West playoffs that year could of probably won the East, it was that bad. Right now Lebron is the better play no doubt but over the career Kobe is certainly way in front, we will have to wait and see if Lebron passes him there... you have to remember age wise Lebron is just only entering his 'prime' now.
LOL, I don't know about you, but the Michael Jordan I remember had the biggest mouth and most trash talking of ANYBODY. Do you even remember the eyes closed free throw?
Ok first off there's nothing wrong with players getting a lot of possessions. Look at the thread showing the usage/PER. The best player always gets the most shots. That's the way it works, if you were the coach would you give the ball to Jordan or Steve Kerr? If you could give to Jordan as many times as you want, wouldn't you give it to Jordan every single time? The difference is great players like LBJ justify their high usage rate, while posers like Allen Iverson do little with what they've been given. LBJ converts over 50% of his shots from the field and a slightly below average 35% from the three. Allen Iverson 13% lower FG and 2% lower from the 3. In other words Iverson needs 22 shots to score 27 pts, while this season LBJ needs 20 shots to score 30, not to mention adding 7 rebs, 7 assists, 1 block and 1 steal. That's the difference between a productive player and a stat padder. You make a nice point about the assists but the rebs, FG% and blocks aren't dependent on the amount of shots you have, and LBJ still blows Kobe out of the water in those areas. The fact is LBJ this season has been better than Kobe in nearly all categories, yet somehow ignorant people still argue that Kobe is the "purer scorer" and better player. How can Kobe be the better player when someone scores mote pts than him, shoots more efficiently than him, gets more rebs than him, blocks more than him, passes more than him and seems to be a much better teammate than him? Do you have any evidence besides what your eyes tell you? My eyes tell me LBJ has been the better player, how is that any better than what your eyes tell you? To top it off, LBJ is 6 years younger AND healthy, while Kobe has been battling injury all season long. C'mon now, make some sense
im not saying anything is wrong with possessions im saying those determine stats along with offense, the shots lebron gets in that type of free flowing offense are different and more encouraged to drive, i feel that if he went to the triangle not only would his role be different, his assistant and shooting percentage would go down bc he would have to rely on his mid-range(which has improved, yet still inconsistent) more like kobe does now, and if you put kobe in cavs he would have the free flow to do what he wants and more possessions and inflate his stats so im saying stats don't say as much as people want, their factos on the offense, style of team, so on
so you don't like MJ either? guy who punched his teammate in a practice, known to do mini tricks that people consider tricks but they jsut call vet moves, kobe plays a 90s 80s style of rough NBA ball...its not 'likeable' but thats how it was before nba cushioned it up and now no fights are allowed, fouls in the 90s are now flagrant fouls, its a wussy league so no one can touch lebron with fingers and he gets his calls, the amount of free throws nad stoppage of the game is whats wrong with the game now
Amen to that brother. Skill wise he might be the best ever. No doubt. But that rapist is front running cry baby. When he is winning and the refs are kissing his ass everything is fine. But he is a sore ****ing loooser.
It was classless when Jordan hit his teammates. It was classless when Malone and Stockton took cheap shots. It's classless when Kobe does it now. The idea that Lebron is classless because he dances with teammates (fine by me, that's your opinion) but Kobe isn't? Strange. I also like how Kobe fans keep perpetuating the myth that Lebron gets the benefit of calls, OH BUT KOBE DOESN'T? How many times do I have to keep reading this drivel?
nah, first off I am not chinese, not close...and 2nd of all, I have somewhat of a bias of Kobe having met him in a situation where there were a bunch fo players and on cameras to be seen....so yes, lebron, melo, dirk, t-mac, all of the folks were there....and guess who was the coolest and easiest to talk to with no media or anyone to show off too? Kobe was, some of the others just kept to themselves, lebron just answered yes no questions and tried to avoid if he saw anyone but a player, and kobe was cool and polite so its ironic bc in the media I just hear about how he has this horrible personality and he tries to fake it for the cameras, my experience has led to me believe otherwise and also, I do know kobe gets calls like lebron and like all stars, but i have never seen the NBA change a rule for a player like they did last year when they officially legalized the crab dribble, they accomodate to this kid in so many ways and you can tlel by the style change of the game, its unfortunate, and his personality, classlessness inthe way he acts(won't shake hands because he is not a 'loser'?, dances in games not realizing he is a professional and the other team is sitting their struggling) its a professional sport, this guy got things handed to him in ways no other has and even MJ the great called it out(espn March magainze 2-3 years ago) how the league tries to use the same marketing tools and forece it on them before they deserve it, practically described lebron, dude is good, damn good, but is called king of the league before he has won a title in the league he is the king of? ...sorry for the unorganized rant
Oh ok he's cool to talk to I guess that gives him a free pass to elbow Ron and Shane (during a dead ball) and chalk it up to rough 80s 90s style of bball. And that derek fisher what a tough little competitor at his age, so TOUGH!
You have a valid point.. but that was the East! Could Lebron have done that in the West? Maybe... We all know the West has been a beast this past couple of years.. the East is catching up though.. I honestly think Kobe can take a team out of the 1st round in the East by himself. But to say who's the best is like comparing apples and oranges.. they both have a different style of play.. and both are great players.. but if I had to choose I would take Kobe.
exactly your comparing apples with oranges, they were in difficult circumstances cleveland has a less individually talented game, but that team is built suited to surround lebron james. If he had the lakers supporting cast and offense, although playing with better mates, they don't maximize his strengths like his current teammates do and he could very well play worse. Basketball is a cohesive sport, 5-5, we see this withour own rockets adn the importance of the "right" role players, not just any. if i had to take one guy in any play to execute and put the ball on the court, answer is easy, kobe bryant. If I have a game 7 in the finals, who do I want shooting the last shot, the free throw, playing the game for me, kobe if i want to build around a team and get the most publicity, and build for the future, its obvious lebron has the youth and is just entering his prime while kobe is exiting his, but if I needed just for one year to make a killer squad with championship mentality, ill with kobe
Can someone ban this fool showtang please? Ignorant Kobe fans all over the place. Yeah he's the all time best, Jordan and Olajuwon can carry his shoes.
really? ban me over not offending or saying anything controversial, but just stating my opinion on a board in a particularly post(not started by me) about someone, you don't like my argument or don't agree with it, so your answer is to ban someone?.... your an idiot
What are you talking about? Why will Lebron's shooting percentage magically decrease if he suddenly starts running the triangle? If it causes players to perform worse than what's the point of running it then? The triangle is an equal opportunity offense. It will lessen your touches but the assumption is your efficiency (FG%) will go up because you'll be getting the ball in good situations. LBJ already has a higher FG% than Kobe. What part of that don't you understand? What about the Rebounds and blocks that he gets, is that somehow connected to the touches he has? And why do you act like the Cavs are some sort of team built exclusively for LBJ? Mo Williams, Booby and West are all shooters, but all of them are inconsistent and LBJ has to do most of the heavy lifting by himself 90% of the time. Shaq has no mid-range game to complement James, and while Big Z does have a mid range game he can't rebound or defend well at all, and he's slow as a turtle to boot. The Cavs are a mess, a bunch of role players like Williams are getting paid way too much money. The only star quality LBJ has playing with him is Shaq, and he's old. Compare that with Kobe, who has Pau, Bynum, Lamar Odom and Artest with him. And yet Lebron's Cavs have the better record. How is that possible unless LBJ is better than Kobe?
a wing in triangle relies more on his shooting than driving, which lebron has improved, but driving is his bread and butter, that's why i think eh will be less efficient, kobe plays off ball adn goes to spots where the midrange which he specializes in to get good shots, lebron doesn't have a great midrange game and having bynum especailly is like having shaq except worse bc he gets more minutes, and hes ineffective outside of the paint, once again making lebron go outside mo williams and delonte are better than odom bc they spread the court more, odom can create more, but his shot is shaky its all arguable but i think the logic makes sense, but the people who hate kobe, hate him truly, those who love him, really do, likewise with lebron, its tough to say anyones perceptions will change
