LMAF, I'm not too bright? this coming from you? I serious ask you for a better posting style for your own intelligence. This is what I have replied, in case you do have some reading capabilities: In case you are wondering, Tmac is not playing now! To mention his Orlando years, is to get a reference point, where Tmac compares to Kobe right now. Yes, it's Orlando YEARS, which means not only years he made the playoff, and also the year he led them to nothing. BTW, The years Tmac made to the playoffs, they wins 42 games in the east, which Lakers are sure to surpass this year. And in case you haven't figured it out by now, I was not arguing that Kobe is "light years ahead of other stars", I was just refuting ShadyMcGrady's claim that current Tracy McGrady, LeBron James, Dywane Wade, Paul Pierce, Steve Nash, and even Carmelo Anthony will do better with lakers. Get a clue, what others are arguing, and now go back to school.
Look your refute was fine, I have my opinion that other stars could do better, but it was you who brought up T-Mac's Orlando years. You compared today's Kobe to T-Mac in Orlando. But thanks for that breaking news, I really was wondering why T-Mac wasn't getting any stats the last 4 weeks and why the Rockets were so bad. I don't think anyone is wondering if T-Mac is playing now or not. Of course you're not going to compare T-Mac right now to anyone. T-Mac took a team who was much worse than what Kobe has now to the playoffs 3 out of 4 seasons. Kobe hasn't taken them to playoffs yet, and he might not this season, the way they are spiraling. If they get a win tonight against the Clippers, they are pretty much in, but can they beat the Clippers? Even if Kobe does make it in, 1 out of 2 isn't as good as 3 out of 4.
Hehe, oh Yeah? I brought up Tmac's Orlando years? Then why do you brought up Tmac's name in the first place? Tmac is not playing. I don't know you know what a refernce point is, but I'll throw in another stats: Tmac's winning percentage without Yao this year is 37%. Actually, forget about Tmac, it's not about Tmac. Why don't you lay out your reason why PP, Melo will make Lakers better. Certainly, You can have your opinions, however unreasonable that is. I don't know about much worse team thing. I know Tmac won 42 games in the east. And I don't know why we are even mentioning 1 out 2, 3 out of 4 thing as if it's even comparable. In fact, I don't know even why you keep arguing about Tmac. Don't you think even PP, Melo can all do the job?
I don't think I'm going to argue more about this silly argument with you smart ones. Stupid Lakers, why don't they trade Kobe for Paul Pierce, Carmelo Anthony etc, it's not like Celtics and Nuggets would refuse the trade.
Those guys don't play for the Houston Rockets and I don't care about them. It was argued that T-Mac could easily do what Kobe is doing (carrying a mediocre team to a medicore record and low playoff seeding). You decided to offer his Orlando years as proof that T-Mac COULDN'T do it (I guess I imagined that and it wasn't you). Where you messed up was not realizing that his Orlando years actually proved that he could do it. Was that enough schooling for me? T-Mac has many things to prove, but carrying bad teams to a low playoff seed is not one of them.
Well, Wade is under .500 without Shaq and with Zo in the lineup. Do you honestly think Wade has a worse team (take out shaq) around him than Kobe does? Not to mention he's playing in the east. And Last time I checked, only 5 teams are above .500.
Sorry, the year before TMac joined Magic, they were a 41 wins team, they got TMac as free agent, TMac put 2, 3 more wins into that team the years after. So overall the team was not too bad. Now don't tell me this lakers would win 40 games without kobe. BTW: TMac played in a weak east, the record they had every year WOULDN'T make playoff in west. And that's just by comparing record alone.
And Tmac's winning percentage w/o Yao Ming is? 37%, I'm guessing. And the current Tmac plays very differently from the Orlando Tmac. Frankly, any objective person can see the lack of evidence.
that was a completely different team. Magic had a complete roster overhaul in the summer of 2000. and in the process they've lost Ben Wallace, Ron Mercer, Corey Maggette and Chucky Atkins, just to name the few.
Yeah, but that 41W team didn't return the next year, the Magic traded away players (e.g., Corey Maggette) and didn't resign (or signed and traded) key free agents (e.g., Ben Wallace) because they wanted to keep their cap space so that they could sign Duncan and Hill -- McGrady was their fall back after Duncan decided to stay with the Spurs. And Darrell Armstrong peaked that season. That would be like saying we're a good team now because we won 50+ last year ... circumstances change from year to year. michecon, I thought you were finish ... what does the current T-Mac have to do with anything? You made the Orlando T-Mac the issue when you offered his Orlando years as proof that he couldn't carry a bad team to the playoffs like Kobe is doing this year. Well he carried even worse teams to the playoffs during his Orlando years. You're the one lacking objectivity. Now you're trying to worm your way out something you started. And his overall winning percentage is irrelevant because he came into the league as an 18 year old with an expansion team and didn't play much. When he did get playing time (his 3rd season) the Raptors made the playoffs and he was a free agent that summer. Again, you said look at his Orlando years. The Magic's overall winning % during his 4 years there was 46%. The Lakers are currently sitting at 47% in Kobe's 2 seasons as THE guy.
What's with the failure to see the logic unless everything is spelled out to you? Th initial claim was: Current NBA players like Tmac and even Melo can do better with the Lakers than Kobe. The burnden is not on me to show they can't make the playoffs. Tmac is not playing, so how do you get a sense where could Tmac lead the Lakers this season? By looking at his Orlando years (since the situation is more similar) first. We know Tmac, in his best of his days with Magics, didn't do better than Kobe - in a weak Eastern Conference. And we know, Tmac could do a lot worse, in his final season with Magics. The trend is not in Tmac's favor. Now Tmac as a Rockets, we know is not the same as Tmac in Orlando. For whatever reason, health or otherwise, he drives a lot less, his energy level sometimes just isn't there. His record without Yao Ming doesn't lend much support either. In conclusion, the evidence is not there that current Tmac could do better than Kobe with the Lakers, by looking at his Orlando years as a starting reference point. Is that clear enough for you?
who cares about your typo. i'm sure you know how to spell orlando, i don't resort to tactics like that.
LOL............Ask the other NBA players or NBA coaches and managements, I would probably say that majority of them will agreed with you, what I mean by majority is that at least one will agreed with you. LOL........... Kobe is the best player ever since MJ, that's the fact, take it or leave it, it is true.
wow wow wow Shaq, Duncan >>>>>> Kobe career achievements KG, AI, Kidd >= Kobe This year Nash, Dirk, Lebron, Wade and Brand > Kobe Talent wise T-Mac > Kobe
Talent wise T-Mac>Kobe? Ask the NBA general manager, I think you can also find at least one that agreed with you. Kobe is everything a level ahead of T-Mac, don't be such a fool. and how is Kidd, AI equal to Kobe? I don't want to argue anymore, just look at those NBA survey done by the manager......
I'll buy that, but kind of a tough comparison, centers vs. a guard Garbage. Neither of those 3 have championships, Kobe has 3. And Kobe was the goto guy during those 3 championships. Teams were playing hack a shaq during crunch time during those championship years so Kobe played a huge role in winning those 3 championships. Garbage. Lebron, maybe. Nash, arguable. None of those other guys you just named are having near the season Kobe is having. You either hate Kobe or are smoking crack if you think Dirk,Wade, & Brand are better than Kobe this year. Not sure about that. I will agree for the most part because I love Tmac, but nobody works harder than Kobe and thats what puts him above those who may have been born with more talent than him.
