Kobe's selfish? Only if Jordan was selfish. If O'Neal's open, Kobe passes. If he thinks a teammate has a better chance, Kobe passes. Kobe takes so many shots because he's probably the best player in the league, now. You can't say that about Steve. And... psst... Kobe averages more assists as a SG than Steve as a PG. Kobe's not just better than STeve... he's much, much better. And he's taller, and younger, and smarter... ...the Lakers would giggle like school girls if we propose this trade. I too worry about Yao leaving in 3 years. Yao does not like the Rockets strategy. It's pretty obvious. At the very least though, we'll get a sign and trade since we can offer him more than anyone else.
This is kind of an amusing subject matter. I think if you polled every single coach and general manager in the league, they would all take Kobe over Francis. Kobe is a better defender, he can finish at the hoop with authority, he's taller, he's younger, more mature, a better passer and doesn't turn the ball over as much. I don't know if there's a single aspect of the game that Francis exceeds Kobe in a significant way. Also, Shaq didn't go to the Lakers because of the money. Orlando actually made him a bigger offer but he went to L.A. anyway. I don't think he got along with Orlando's coach and Penny Hardaway. Also in L.A., he could pursue his movie career with gems like Kazaam and Steel. Thank god he stopped making movies...
Hell No. Francis is better than Kobe. What did Kobe do with a team that is able to step up and win, when the pressure is on, that has won 3 championships, without Shaq. Three and nine. What did Francis do with a team that pretty much had no one to pass it to but a player that shoots around 40% to 45% (you know the player that you love to hate). A record of 45 and 37. You do the math. And save that bull about Kobe had no one on that team with him. Well without those no ones they wouldn't of won those championships(since it's basicly the same team as last season). At least Francis can put up a winning record as the main focal point; and Kobe can not.
Funny thing, I remember Hakeem, Mobley, Cato, and Thomas being better than anybody besides Shaq and Kobe for LA. You might want Robert Horry more in a clutch situation, but not game-in, game-out. And, of course, Fox and Fisher were both out for a while. The Rockets made their run that year when Hakeem was averaging 18 and 10 for a month. of course, it's possible that post was a joke and I didn't catch the tone.
Yes. Very good logic. Greatness is based on not rings, but this theory that you came up with. I am sure that is endorsed by Einstein as well. Who cares about rings???? It's all about shooting percentanges!
I think if Yao's not happy at Houston and decides to leave, he's more likely to go to Sac Town rather than LA. He would be the prefect replacement for Divac. And apparently he admired Kings' team-oriented style of play. I hope he stays here though and win multiple championships for us and yeah alongside Francis.
.kidrock8, Yeah I agree. Horry has five rings and Malone has none, yet Horry is truly the dominant player. Oh yeah that Albert was real smart. Even though he couldn't even remember where he lived or how to tie his shoes. But he was an expert on every thing else
Yes, you're right. Kobe is nothing but a Robert Horry. Kobe comes off the bench, flops on defense, and only shoots open 3s. While Francis flops on both ends of the floor. Cheap shots opponents, and likes to shoot a fadeaway. Thank you for pointing out to every one how similar Kobe and Horry are, as well as Francis and Malone. It was clear as day, but I never saw the connection until now. Thank you for your nuggets of wisdom. If brains were a currency, you'd be on welfare.
Yeah...I guess Samaki Walker is way better than Charles Barkley ever was because of the rings. I am not trying to really bash u, I am just stating, well....I dont think Kobe is THAT much better tan Stevie. I do believe Kobe is better though, because he is taller, other than that...they both play selfish basketball, and try to do everything themselves.
kidrock8 I didn't think you would result to juvenile remarks. But sense you want to act childish, then find a kid to play with. Because I'm not the one.
1. Kobe has more assists than Francis. Francis is a PG. Do you not see a problem here? 2. Francis has more turnovers per game than Kobe. 3. Francis has a worse turnover/assist ratio than Kobe. Despite being a PG (PG's typically ahve the best ratios). 4. Kobe shoots a higher % than Francis (and hence, when he tries to do it all himself, more often succeeds). 5. Kobe averages more points than Francis. He drives as well, but can actually post and can take the abuse inside better. 6. Kobe plays very good D. Francis plays almost none. The players aren't close. What precisely, DOES Francis do better?
kidrock8, I don't care how you act. Even though it's obvious your a pillow biter. And if intelligence were testosterone you would be your mom (whom I feel sorry for). I'm putting you on my ignore list here on out, this is pointless. Go ahead andf type up some more blah blah blah. Your nothing but a coward. YFI. Good night.
I wonder if Francis' parents, friends and gfs frequent this board. There is even a debate? Come on, Francis isn't even better than a young Scottie Pippen, and Kobe is notches above Quitten in any day.
FYI, when shaq is out, no starting lakers but Kobe shot over 40%, Kobe is 43%. Lakers are built around shaq, when shaq was out, these Lakers were totally lost. Kobe shot better over double-team than the role players doing one-on-one. Lakers has the worst role players in the league.
because24, That is the SADDEST argument in the WORLD. It's so awful that it has made me want to defend Steve because people like you make him look bad. Kobe's teammates for that 3-9 run: Samaki Walker at C, Horry at PF, Devean George at SF, and Derek Fisher (minus 2 games) at PG. Bench: Brian Shaw, Pargo. Steve's teammates that 45-37 year: Hakeem Olajuwon, Maurice Taylor, Walt Williams, Cuttino Mobley. Bench: Kenny Thomas, Kelvin Cato. That's #1. #2: Steve Francis was by no means the reason for that record. Sans Hakeem, that team would be horrible with all that talent. It's a known fact that Hakeem was the reason for that HUGE second half. Hakeem was averaging around 18 and 10 when the hot streak started. #3: Steve Francis would struggle to win one of those 12 games. Kobe went 3-9, not the Lakers. 1 on 5 basketball was what it was. #4: Rick Fox was suspended for almost all of those games. #5: Shaq and Kobe individually are worth (production wise) half of our roster each. #6: The simplest of them all. Kobe can do ANYTHING Steve does, and most of them better. #7: Kobe has 3 rings. Francis has none. #8: Kobe is the Lakers MVP this season, not Shaq. Kobe is also a candidate for LEAGUE MVP at the moment. #9: Kobe is younger and has more time to develop (How scary does that sound? What more can he develop but a slightly better 3-pt shot?) #10: Kobe knows "it", and uses "it". Kobe gets "it". Francis, who is older than Kobe, has yet to get "it". #11: You say Kobe defers to Shaq as if it's a negative thing, and then beg for Steve Francis to defer to Yao Ming. Who's right and who's wrong? Francis may very well be more succesful. But if Francis doesn't win a ring this year, and wins 3 in a row after that. It still won't be over. Any team Kobe is on will threaten to win a ring, and Kobe is younger, so he'll last longer. Despite all this, I love Francis. He's one of the best PG's in the league. But the Lakers would mock us if we offered only Steve Francis for Kobe.
Kobe is a great player, there is no doubting that. I have him on my fantasy team, but I wouldn't want him on the Rockets. I don't like his attitude, or his need to constantly feed his ego. So, I don't think I'd trade him for Steve. He really seems like a jerk on court.
equal talent, right. but Kobe is far more smart player than francis. kobe does not take as much dumb shots or decisions as compared to francis. kobe is a lot more in control of his game than francis. and kobe is on a higher level than francis.
he may be the best PG but he is also the most stubborn and dumbest one. People have been talking to give Yao more touches but still he sticks to his one-on-one, show-off basketball style. To top it all, he is the no. # 1 in turnovers. If he wants to play PG, he should learn to be more of in control of his game. Ton of talent with no brain will not win championships.
