oh man, u truly don't know basketball. this will be my last post to your responses. kobe never won an MVP during their tenure together, shaq did. kobe never won a finals MVP in their run, shaq won all 3. shaq's playoff avg for those 3 playoff yrs where 30+ ppg and 15+ rpg on 55%+ fg shooting. please, if u think kobe had just as much of an impact as shaq, watch the GAMES. watch the ESPN classics they had on. kobe went 1-on-1 while shaq went against double/tripel teams. please, watch games before u post. i posted stats and they don't even prove how much of an impact shaq had. if yao can pull that much attention, tmac would be so wide open all game. too bad that's not the case. it's the other way around.
but if it weren't for Kobe's 81 points... oh wait, Shaq wasn't there when he did that. Kobe is an amazing player, but there is a difference between allstar and superstar. Kobe is an allstar, shaq is a superstar.
kobe is a superstar man. he's oen of the very best players to play the game. but i dont think he would be viewed what he is if he never played w/ shaq. b/c i dont think he can be the main guy playing w/ another superstar. its VERY hard to play w/ kobe. ask lamar. ask caron butler. no one has elevated their games playing w/ kobe.
Again, provide your stats for your 60% 40% nonsense. As if Kobe and Shaq were the only two players on the team. LOL. Nobody is saying Shaq wasn't important, but you called Kobe a MINOR part of that team. That's ridiculous. PRovide the source, limpbrain.
That's the problem. Kobe doesn't know and doesn't wanna cooperate. I really like Lamar, but he cannot at all play well with Kobe. To play with Kobe, you must be subordinary and must help him win at the meantime. Kobe is a tyrant. To play with him is harder than working in the White House.
The point is it didn't matter who was on the team with shaq in those years, he was going to win it all. Replace Kobe with T-Mac on that team, and you would have the same results...except T-Mac wouldn't have run Shaq out and they would still be contending for or winning titles every year.
wrong. at 22, kobe was already an intregal part of the lakers dynasty; some can argue he carried the lakers to several important wins. for example, against the spurs in the 2001 western conference finals, kobe put up these stats in their 4-0 sweep: Game 1(win): TEAM HIGH 45 points, 19-35 fg's, 10 rebounds, 3 assists Game 2(win): TEAM HIGH 28 points, 11-24 fg's, 7 rebounds, 6 assists Game 3(win): TEAM HIGH 36 points, 14-27 fg's, 9 rebounds, 8 assists Game 4(win): 24 points, 10-19 fg's, 2 rebounds, 11 assists minor part? kobe was about as instrumental to the championships as shaq was.
that's why i said 40%. that was the 2nd yr, not the first yr of their championship run. again, compare their stats. shaq's 30 + 15 were some of the most dominant display you can ever see from an individual player. look at the defense kobe faced compared to now. it's night andday.
Again, my point has been missed. My point is that T-Mac easily could have/can do the same thing that Kobe did for that team with Shaq. Seriously, if T-Mac was on that team instead of Kobe, they would have at least 3 rings too.
i seriously doubt t-mac could deliver in the clutch as kobe had done in late game situations when shaq became increasingly overlooked on the offensive end. shaq dominated most of the early game, but it was kobe who worked to close the deal. t-mac is a very good player, but to say he could have done what kobe has is unrealistic. t-mac has not consistently shown me, especially in the playoffs, that he can elevate his game as kobe has done.
has kobe been clutch in the playoffs since shaq left? u don't realize that kobe basically only had to take over the last 4-5 mins of the 4th? do u know how much energy he has had left from playing just defense and the occasional playmaking (triangle didn't really need a true playmaker like we do) so it's very easy for him to have his legs for his jumper or the extra burst to penetrate. as we've seen v. phoenix this yr, kobe was HORRIBLE in the 4th in 4 of the 5 games. so if tmac had played w/ shaq, tmac would have A LOT of energy to expend going into the 4th. so it's hard for you to say that. i'm not saying tmac will be as clutch as kobe if they were in the same position, but tmac has seen the defense kobe is seeing the last 3 yrs ever since he became a superstar. so it's hard to comment on that unless yao forces the D to defend him like they do shaq. utah didn't do that.
i agree that enegy is a factor, but like you said, it's hard to tell if t-mac would've performed as well as kobe had. since shaq left, kobe has not been as clutch, but just a year ago, i remember he single handedly put the lakers up 3-1 by two spectacular buzzer beating shots. they lost the series of course, but it was still very impressive. as for the utah series, t-mac wasn't exactly shut down by the utah defense. he missed a lot of jumpers, some not that well guarded, especially late in the game.
Wow. Just wow. Your third post and that's really what you wanna say? Sure he hasn't gone out of the first round, but T-Mac is known for being able to elevate his game come playoff time. It's not his fault that he's been playing on sorry ass teams until recently. I bet you're basing that statement off of this year's playoff. Shows me how much you know about T-Mac. Year Team G GS MPG FG% 3P% FT% OFF DEF RPG APG SPG BPG TO PF PPG 99-00 TOR 3 3 37.0 .386 .286 .875 3.3 3.7 7.0 3.0 1.0 1.0 3.33 3.30 16.7 00-01 ORL 4 4 44.5 .415 .200 .816 1.5 5.0 6.5 8.3 1.8 1.2 2.00 2.80 33.8 01-02 ORL 4 4 44.5 .462 .313 .739 1.5 4.8 6.3 5.5 0.5 1.8 3.25 2.80 30.8 02-03 ORL 7 7 44.0 .448 .340 .773 1.4 5.3 6.7 4.7 2.0 0.9 3.71 2.30 31.7 04-05 HOU 7 7 43.0 .456 .370 .824 1.7 5.7 7.4 6.7 1.6 1.4 3.71 2.90 30.7 06-07 HOU 7 7 40.0 .394 .250 .737 0.7 5.1 5.9 7.3 0.7 0.9 3.00 1.70 25.3 Career 32 32 42.4 .431 .315 .781 1.5 5.1 6.6 6.1 1.3 1.2 3.25 2.50 28.8
Game 7 vs. Jazz 3mins. left in the game and the chance to advance to the 2nd and he folds and defers to Yao....numbers are just numbers....you have to be a DOG when it counts and he played like a wimp when we had a chance.
first off, post count has nothign to do with a post. secondly, i perhaps i shoudl clarify and say i haven't seen t-mac elevate his game in the clutch in the playoffs. perhaps the only instance i've seen was game 2 of the 2005 playoffs against the mavs, if i remember correctly.
again, isn't yao a "superstar" also? didn't kobe defer to shaq at times? i'm not saying yao is on shaq's level but he's a star and he's an advantage of ours. what's wrong w/ going to yao? yao is the best big man in the series. he's supposed to be the best center. so going to him was an option.
Like I said, don't base his playoff performance solely on this year's playoff. I know post counts don't mean anything, just saying that you're starting off on a bad start with that kind of quality. Obviously you haven't seen T-Mac elevate his game in the playoffs. You would actually have to have seen him play first.
