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Kobe for T-Mac, lets make a big trade!!!

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Rock101, Jun 16, 2007.

  1. MacGreat

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    You are disgusting.
     
  2. blazer_ben

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    Duncan, Dirk, KG are all superior players. take off you're homer glasses off for a second. jesuse. anyone who puts yao into the same conversation with duncan(3 rings league mvp) needs there brain checked.
     
  3. Astockmarketgod

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    doublehh03

    needs to realize... that at one point his hero...ages...

    maybe Tmac isnt 40 years old...

    but the odds that Tmac will be able to put up numbers like he did in his heyday are over... the Tmac we see is the best were going to get...


    does anyone else see the irony in his reasoning...

    Tmac was able to carry the team to the playoffs...with a increadable 32 game stretch... but one month later...

    when Tmac wasnt able to carry the team in the playoffs.. suddenly he wasnt in shape... and wasnt his old self...


    there was a point I thought Jordan was the best player in the game... at one time he was... but then he got old and retired...
     
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    3 letters...

    F No

     
  5. Astockmarketgod

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    ^ well that defeats the purpose...

    we trade either Tmac OR Yao for Kobe (if we could)

    thus pairing either Tmac with Kobe or Yao with Kobe
     
  6. Yao#1

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    If you are going to tell someone to have their brain checked, at least double check what you write. It is your and not you're, jesus and not jesuse, their and not there, and Duncan has four rings and not 3.
     
  7. Yao#1

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    Kobe is a jack ass. The Lakers sign him to contract worth over 130 million dollars. They stand by him during his whole rape incident. He claims to love his teammates but demands a trade cuz they all suck. Then he says the Lakers are his team and he wants to be back. Then he wants out again and tells the team he will only go to NY, Chi, or Phx, but will veto the trade if the Lakers try to get too much in return from those teams.

    He is a great talent but i would have trouble rooting for him to be successful, whereas I hope Tmac and Yao get over the hump. Im glad Houston wont be getting him. I only hope he goes to Phx, and Raja Bell isnt included in the deal and ends up punching Kobe in the face on day one.
     
  8. MayoRocket

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    I'd hate to see a Kobe for T-Mac trade. You guys really think that Yao and Kobe would mesh well??? Is there any other superstar in the league other than McGrady, that would let Yao flourish even at possibly his own statistical expense? I think we all know that Kobe is a proven cancer. Best player in the league? Probably so, but still not worth it. I love the Yao-Mac combo and I still think it's gonna pay big dividends....
     
  9. yao_fan_2007

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    Oh please.

    Playoffs are all about matchups, and luck.

    Let me put it this way: If the Rockets were in the finals against the Cleveland Cavaliers, do you think they would win? Absolutely.

    Yao did not disappear during the playoffs. He posted pretty good #s.

    Tim Duncan one on one with Yao Ming, Yao Ming wins. Yao Ming gives every player trouble. It's hard to guard him, and hard to shoot over him.

    Every expert has stated this. From Hakeem to Carrol Dawson.

    Winning in the playoffs is a matter of matchups, and you need a great coach / reserves. One person cannot win it all.

    So to say that Yao Ming because he lost in the playoffs is inferior to Tim Duncan is illogical.

    I bet Yao's #s are superior to Tim Duncans in playoffs. Yeah, Tim's team won, but that's because he has a superior team behind him.
     
  10. tharges

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    Phoenix was the 3rd team mentioned.
     
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    Knicks offer Frye, Lee and Crawfor for Kobe but I would stay with my opinion. Kobe's not goin' anywhere.
     
  12. doublehh03

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    i have always said tmac was VASTLY INCONSISTENT last yr. but again, look at what john feign said, tmac used last season to get in shape from his back injury the yr before, not really working or fine tuning his game.

    so its common sense that his game is inconsistent. if u play basketball, u would know.

    again, i don't never expect tmac to put up the #s he did in orlando or under that kind of efficiency. that tmac was jordan-like in terms of scoring. his back won't allow him to do that anymore.

    but going into this offseason healthy, he doesn't have to work on his shape primarily. now he can work on his J, his conditioning, his post game... he couldn't do that last yr consistently in the offseason b/c he wasn't in shape still.

    again, i'm not saying tmac is gonna put up a 30+ PER. that's a RARE feat. but i believe tmac can put up 27-28ppg, 6rpg, 7 apg, and if he works on his J (and w/ adelman's help on getting better shots), he can shoot 44-45%.

    but beyond that 44-45%, its the consistent shooting. not one week 50%, then the next week 34%. i don't want that.

    again, if tmac is inconsistent again this yr, then he won't ever be the same. but it's ONE SEASON.

    u judge a guy's playing ability off of a major injury TWO SEASONS after. the first season does not tell the whole story.

    let's see what tmac does next yr.
     
  13. doublehh03

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    i actually rooted for kobe the FIRST time he went out to vent his frustration. i think it's only common nature.

    but then to make 4-5 U-turns on his stand is ridiculous.

    i mean, it's like asking a chick to marry you and she says yes and no every other day. wtf is that.

    at some point in time, nobody is bigger than the team. kobe is trying to be bigger than the NBA right now.
     
  14. doublehh03

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    oh man. so in 1-on-1 statistical matchup, he owned wade both matchups. he owned lebron. he owned the spurs team in that one game. so can i go on to say he's the 2nd best player in the L after kobe, the only guy he didn't dominate?

    cmon man. it's not all about the stats. yao doesn't impact the game defensively like duncan. he doesn't rebound like duncan (look at the first game u posted where duncan outplayed him statistically). and defense is a HUGE impact. duncan can guard multiple players. hell, he can even guard perimeter guys for 1-2 possessions and do well.

    yao's stats may look good. but please watch the game. getting blocked by okur. getting dunked on by boozer. getting stripped by everybody.

    tmac's stats may look good too v. the jazz. 25, 6, 7. but he was INCONSISTENT again.

    but fans like u look at the stats to make judgement of a player.

    that's why jkidd can still impact a game when he sucks at scoring.

    great players impact a game when they can't score. can yao do that??? not a chance.

    thats when u reach a NEW level.
     
  15. yao_fan_2007

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    Excuse me, but how did Tim Duncan perform in game 4 in the finals? He stunk. Then how did the Spurs win? Because he had players like Tony Parker who can step up and contribute.

    How did Shaq play last year when Miami won? He stunk. But he had a strong team behind him.

    My point is, it's not about individuals. The Rockets were not good enough to beat a very tenacious, and DEEP Utah Rockets. They posed a problem for the Rockets, who do not have a POWER FORWARD, so you had a 7'6 guy trying to defend a much more mobile Power Forward. No wonder the Rockets lost.

    And to make matters worse, you have a coach in JVG who does not play all his players, to mix things up. To adjust in game. JVG kept putting Yao on Boozer, and despite losing most of the time, JVG never changed.

    Why didn't JVG put Juwan Howard in? Juwan Howard is the one who should guard Boozer. Why didn't JVG try putting T-Mac on Boozer? T-Mac is tall enough. Instead, he kept putting Yao on Boozer, whom he could just run around.

    Dumb coaching. That's why the Rockets lost.
     
  16. doublehh03

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    when u suggested to have jhoward put in (who bricked every open shot and got abused by boozer just as much in his limited time b/c he's just as slow as yao), u have no credibility to me.

    we lost b/c tmac shot 39%. a big man shot 44%. role players shot 30%. that's why we lost.

    vspan or novak is not gonna contribute. the only thing i disagreed w/ JVG is not using snyder more.
     
  17. LeGrouper

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    I think the best trade scenario for Kobe would be for LA to comply with his demands and trade him to Pluto, which is one of the teams he has indicated he would wave his no trade clause for.

    If the Lakers can get that Alien from NBA Jams I think they would do a one for one.

    Seriously, If the Rockets were able to get Kobe for nothing, I still would not want that deal. Who wants to cheer for a ego maniac rapist?
     
  18. thewaterox

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    Dirk and KG are true post players. Bigs yes, but both guys are face up drive jump shot type guys and they are not as valued as true post guys like Duncan and Yao. Besides Duncan no other player in the NBA can really be compared to Yao in the Post. Shaq even acknowledged this recently when asked who were the best post players now he listed Duncan and Yao and this is coming from the most dominant post player the league has seen since the Dream was playing. So I have to agree that Yao is top 3 in bigs and if the Lakers are looking to trade Kobe Yao is one of the players they have on their list. Is he equal value? No but no other single player is equal value.
     
  19. yao_fan_2007

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    Well, when option A is not working, a coach who can adapt tries option B, and C. You did not get the point I was making. JVG did not make adjustments. Sloan did.

    I don't know if Juwan Howard would be better able to stop Boozer over Yao. But Boozer was just KILLING the Rockets, and Yao wasn't able to stop him. You have to try other options, double him. Do something to stop Boozer.

    Boozer killed us this series.
     
  20. Barkley

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    Right. Boozer killed us cause we didn't even double team him. He used his speed over Yao and drew the fould and made an easy baskets inside. I said that earlies Yao is poor defender. But Utah did double team Yao and he wasn't able to drive he only truned and shooted a fade away jumpers (I hate it).

    I hate JVg defense sometimes. It was pretty good but I hate for example when Duncan or Boozer is on fire we let them play 1 on 1. i really HATE it! And the same with zone defense. That all plus NO OFFENSE killed us but I;m glad cause now we have Rick Adelman
     

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