since i cant edit, tmac is a top 10 swingman??? sure u can put kobe/bron (really u would put bron but i'll put him too just for the sake of it)/wade ahead of tmac. that's 3 players? who else would u put above tmac in terms of ALL perimeter players? and yet u put yao top 3? above duncan/kg/dirk??? cmon man. oops, u are a "yao_fan_07" after all.
Yes, Yao is a top 3 big man. Tim Duncan cannot handle Yao Ming alone. Sorry but in head to head games, Yao Ming showed enough that he can handle anyone. Head to Head with Tim Duncan 2007 Nov 14th 2006 T. Duncan 37 7-16 0-0 5-7 2 15 2 4 0 3 4 19 Y. Ming 35 7-21 0-0 6-9 2 6 0 1 4 1 4 20 Dec 22, 2006 Y. Ming 26 8-15 0-0 6-6 2 7 0 2 0 2 5 22 T. Duncan 33 4-13 0-0 6-11 3 11 4 4 5 2 3 14 Both games, Yao played better than Tim Duncan. Kevin Garnett is not a true post player. He can't handle Yao Ming either physically. KG is not strong enough. Don't get me started on Dirk either. Yao Ming is a true center with a real post game. None of those big guys you mention is a true center, or a true post player. I definitely put Yao Ming in the top 3 of big men (7'0 +). As a center, he's #1. You guys are forgetting how Yao played through December. could anyone stop Yao Ming before his injury? He was dominating.
It's not just about #'s. I'm talking about the entire player including his mentality. TMac's greatest weakness is his loser mentality. His "It's on me" speech has got to be one of the most embarrassing declarations in the entire Sports history. I'm sure T-Mac would love to take that one back. I would pick any of the following players over a 2006-2007 TMac. Wade > TMac WON CHAMPIONSHIP Kobe > TMac WON CHAMPIONSHIP Lebron > Tmac MADE IT TO FINALS Steve Nash > Tmac WON MVP Allen Iverson > TMac MULTIPLE WINNER Carmelo Anthony > TMac YOUTH & POTENTIAL TMac would be #7. In spite of his dwindling abilities, he can still score at will, but his fragile back and loser mentality have really taken a toll on his reputation.
u can say what u want to say, tmac is a franchise player. he will 90% of any season will put ANY team in the playoffs. outside of the one lone yr in orlando in 03-04, as the star, all of his teams have at least made the playoffs (05-06 was an injury yr). yao hasn't proven that. sure he hasn't gotten the chance and the chances he has had are small samples, but from those small samples, yao has not shown he can carry a team on a consistent basis. there's no doubt any and every team would want yao before tmac. but the sole reason is tmac's back. tmac is only a yr older than yao. so it's not age. and it isn't like w/ yao's size, he can play well beyond 30 yrs old. but let's be realistic. lakers wont be contenders if they just get tmac or yao. kobe alone can't do that. so what makes u think they want to trade 1 superstar for another? if anything, lakers will trade him to the bulls. bulls have the most to offer (gordon/deng/#9 pick + maybe wallace). that fills EVERY position for them. and now they have depth. that's a better team right now than the team w/ kobe. so unless it's a realistic trade (a thread for this has already been made). as a yao fan, u should be glad yao is hard at work once again w/ dawson (which i dontk now why JVG never let him do). dawson claimed yao is a finesse player and that's why he was very pathetic v. the jazz. hopefully dawson will steer him to the hakeem's path. http://chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/bk/bkn/4896412.html but for anything, u can't question yao's work ethic. with tmac's healthy going into this offseason, he's gonna be training hard. our 2 stars can be much better. w/ help coming (mike james for now), i still have hope that this tandem can achieve greatness. b/c there's no reason why a fool like tony parker can get finals MVP and tmac can't. we just need some help for our stars.
If i'm the Lakers, I would'nt even waste my time trading for someone like Tmac for my top player in the team without taking consideration of filling other positions for exchange of Kobe. Trust me, all teams know what Tmac is going through and it is very risky to have Tmac on any team, considering his back problems will never go away. Get it!!
Excuse me, but you should read that article more carefully because that article underscores the reason why Yao Ming is more valuable than a Tracy McGrady. With Yao's work ethic, and talen, his upside is STILL tremendous. Like Hakeem stated, he just needs a little work to dominate. Like Dawson stated, Yao is unstoppable with a sky hook. In other words, the true Franchise player is Yao Ming. T-Mac is on the decline, and he's not a center. How many teams besides Jordan's have teams dominated without a big man? IN this league, big men are most important. Tim Duncan's Spurs won again. Lebron James, a swing-man like T-Mac, lost. A dominating Center is always more important than any other position in winning the championship. 100% of GMs today will pick Yao over T-Mac. No question about it. You are overrating T-Mac, and under-rating Yao Ming. Carroll Dawson believes in Yao Ming. You don't see CD training T-Mac, do you for two hours on his jumpshot or free throws, do you? JVG came to the Rockets for Yao Ming. I dare say that even Adelman came to the Rockets more for Yao Ming. I am not saying that T-Mac is not important or not a franchise player. He is, but next to Yao Ming, he's secondary.
I am not saying that T-Mac is not important or not a franchise player. He is, but next to Yao Ming, he's secondary i shouldn't need to respond to that. ask jerry sloan what he thinks.
I don't need to ask. I know that Jerry would also pick Yao over T-Mac. That we didn't have a PF to stop Boozer is not really an indictment against Yao's abilities. There are many many reasons why Utah beat the Rockets. And that has nothing to do with the Yao vs TMac debate.
Ok again the same. There was a lot of threads but it stopped and now it begins. Bla bla bla. If you wanna make a deal Tracy for Kobe you have to play NBa Live. Tracy is not goin' anywhere so let's better think about our PF! Thet thread just killin' me...
On ESPN's Sports Center, they said that Kobe's 3rd team was the Suns. They also said you can forget the Suns, because the Lakers aren't trading Kobe to a divisional rival. Between NY and Chi., Chi has more to offer.
I don't really think Kobe will leave the Lakers. He just wanna force LA to make some good decisions, god trades. You'll see that Kobe will stay. I'm sure
i wasn't even talking about defense. im talking about how sloan guarded yao. if u saw the series, u obviously see that he put more emphasis on stopping tmac.
he wont leave this yr. but he will next yr. if u listen to the LA radio shows after this news broke out, more and more laker fans are fed up w/ this. and buss is slowly getting fed up w/ this. kobe is not gonna retired as a laker that's for sure. most likely, he'll go to the bulls though
Look, I like Yao, actually I fought with doublehh03 before to defend Yao. But it's ridiculous if you think Yao is already at Duncan's level. Not even close, at least right now. Regular season games proves nothing. Both Yao and TMac disappeared in playoffs.
He wanna go to the Eastern Conference cause it much more easier than Western and he and his team could probably go past the 1st round.
Let's not and say we did. Hey, remember that time that we traded T-Mac for Kobe. Can you believe that Vince Carter signed with the Lakers? And then LA won two more championships? And then Kobe effectively killed Yao Ming's carrier by taking a crowbar to Yao's knee because he thought Yao was getting the ball too much. And then Kobe proceeded to blame Rocket's management for the whole thing??!!
I didn't catch that, but that's probably right. Besides, that way he can't come to the Rockets, thank God!!!!!
