and what do we get by talking to him? yao >>> god? here's the same dude that is saying yao can be top 5 center of all time? dissing bill russell and patrick ewing. do u see tmac fans on here dissing even clyde drexler or dominique wilkins for god sakes.
is this guy God? why is he calling everyone who's not a yao fan a r****d? is there a class to take to be a yao fan?
i was saying earlier about how people think t-mac has lost a step and all of that but i have been watching a lot of film and its just more of a confidence thing than anything, nothing related to his physical capabilities. here are two similar plays: t-mac's dunk on okur in 2003 playoffs (its at the end of the video) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kYLQpKQSexg then watch his dunk against the lakers this year http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3gWLcpT-DBU same play, he beats his defender, kobe mind you, but as he approaches the basket you see him hesitate and he finishes with his left hand away from the defender avoiding contact. he just looks timid but i truly believe this will pass.
it's really mindset. if he went like hte okur dunk, kwame might have hit him harder. hopefully patterson can work w/ him to tell him that it's fine to initiation a contact, just as long as u don't fall from the air straight down to the floor. but that dunk tells u how literally athleticially talented he is. even a "slowed-down" version is still ridiculously athletic. just gotta hone his game this offseason and he'll be fine.
Not to worry this guy is setting himself up with the statements he makes. Actually Yao is a nice guy and good player just not the player this homer say he is. I just toy around with this Yao fan, all good fun. By now we all know who the r****d is.
Did you read that part? I have no doubt he is good for the national team but here we talking NBA. What Yao does for China doesn't mean it translates in the NBA in terms of leadership. Besides how hard is it to be leader on such an average Chinese team. Although against Greece in the WC, against a good defensive team Yao scored 5 pts (since you love stats so much) I guess some Greek player is better the Yao then therefore also better then Duncan following you logic. Draft the unknown Greek player immediately he is already hall of fame material. Sloan the guy who coached Malone (you know K Malone?) said Duncan is the best PF of all time. You want to put Yao up there? Best all time? Based on his points total in two games? I guess who ever outscored Jordan in a particular game can claim supremacy over MJ with that logic. The hard facts are that he has never yet won a playoff series but I guess scoring few more points in 1-2 or two games head to head against Duncan is everything. Never mind that Duncan has won 4ring and worst case scenario for him he will go deep in the playoffs. Going deep in the Playoffs for Duncan is a failure unless he wins it all and Yao has never taken his team there once not once, and you dare compare the two? I guess in China rings don't matter as long as you outscore a particular player once or twice you set. How many Mvp’s does Yao have? How many rings? How many Finals MVP’s? This reminds me of the radio show on V-SPAN making a case for himself against Kobe. Hilarious.
If you watched the Western Finals, Duncan struggled against Okur as well, farther out and under single coverage. I remember there was a span of 4-5 minutes near the end of the 3rd quarter and into the 4th when Duncan looked completely lost against Okur. I think Okur is a much better postup defender than people give him credit for. Just because he's known for his offense doesn't mean he can't be good defensively. The difference with the Spurs was that their role players stepped up big time to finish that series.
I have noticed it is very interesting that when Amare, Duncan, and Lebron saw any defense like Yao saw when pressured, that they also usually turned the ball over, yet it seemed they hardly saw it as much as Yao does. In fact during the Utah/SA series I remember many times when Duncan turned it over or Okur stopped him one on one, yet many say Yao is not a #1 option and Duncan is totally dominant. Duncan turned it over whenever Utah pressured him.
And now to get back on topic. I don't think Tmac for Kobe is a good trade. Neither guys is good at sharing the first option spot with Yao. So if you're looking to speculate on trade scenarios, then either trade Tmac for solid role players or trade Yao for solid role players. The problem with Kobe and Mac is that either they're the first option, or they're a role player. They can't seem to mix the act of deferring for flexibility. You see it in Kobe especially in the Sun's series in last two year's playoffs. He would either vanish completely or jack up every shot near the end of the game. Same problem with Tmac. I haven't found anyone who could explain optimally why Tmac was so good in the 20 games when Yao went down, but is only mediocre when Yao is on the court. So based on logical observation, I see that Tmac just wants the limelight. Either he wants to the sole reason for a Win, or he wants nothing to do with a loss.
although it's true that both currently can't find a position between role player and first option, kobe has done it in the past with shaq, whereas t-mac has never really done it successfully.
Are you kidding me? What games have you been watching? T-Mac created virtually every shot for the Rocket's this past season, regardless of whether or not he finished the plays himself. Somebody already brought up the stat in this thread somewhere: he created for his team more than any player on any other team, while averaging only 25 points. Yao had his numbers and was a star player at the same time. You know how many players averaged more points and still didn't create as many points for their team (via assists and things like that)? Quite a few...Kobe, Lebron, and Wade just to name a few.
when has yao proven he can be a first option on a team? to me, a first option implies franchise player. a franchise player means that guy will get u to at least playoff contention regardless of who is on your team. yao is not that guy yet. JVG wanted tmac to NOT be passive w/ yao b/c he should be the first option. the shots might not be for tmac all the time, but he starts virtually every play. basically, he's the team best passer, scorer, and creator.
t-mac had a good year this year, but uhh creating more points than kobe, wade and lebron? what are you smoking? wade scored more pts and had more assists than t-mac. lebron only had .5 assists less than t-mac but had 3 more points per game. and kobe averaged 1 assist less than t-mac but scored exactly 7 more points every game. i don't think you can say thay t-mac created more points than those 3 players.
actually i think it is safe to say many people around the league and many fans consider yao to be a franchise player. although he has only recently played like a franchise player, last year's stats alone, especially before his injury, have proven that he is a first option.
i'm just saying, if u put yao on any team, would that team be a legit playoff contender, considering the rest is scrubs? u put kobe on any team, its a playoff contender. same w/ tmac, bron, wade, duncan. now if u put yao on any team, is that team a playoff contender?
actually the main reason duncan is so good is he can read the plays and the defense. whether passing to an open teammate when the double team comes or recognizing when he has to shoot. yao never did that or he executed it very poorly, part of that is the coach. spurs as individuals are not great basketball players (outside of 2-3 guys) but as a team they have a very high BBall IQ and that is why they are so good.
well a good playmaker, which all those guys are, are going to make those scrubs better were as yao has to rely on his teammates to set him up and get him the ball.
true. but shaq got the heat to a better overall record w/o wade than wade w/o shaq. i'm sure duncan can get houston to the playoffs w/o tmac. kg gets the wolves to around 45-46% winning, which is near the 8th spot. so a lot of big man can get it done.
