Kobe Bryant the most overrated player in NBA History?

Dude, you lost all credibility when you claimed maxwell led the 81 Celtics to that title and not Bird. You can keep spinning and throwing LeBron's name out there to save face but the damage is already done.

Hey everyone, the guy who came in 2nd in MVP voting and led his team in points, boards and finished 2nd in assists (regular season and playoffs) didn't lead his team to the title!! Just because they voted you the 2nd most important dude in the league doesn't mean you led your team, even though you actually led them in the previously mentioned categories. And a 2nd option is really option 1B.

 

What comparison do they deserve? If it's a fair comparison, then it deserves one. Accomplishments-wise it isn't either. Jordan did everything in less time also.

 

80's yes, 90's no. Most players from that time note that it's easier to score the ball today because you can't touch guys. If you are completely seperating schemes and rule changes then you may have a point but collectively it's easier to score today, especially for wings.

 

Against Jordan you dont think that was the case? Guys like Joe Dumars thrived to try and stop Jordan. How is that any different from how stars are played today?

If you're trying to imply that it was easier to score in the 90s from the perimeter than it is now, that's just not true. Jordan had it harder to score than Kobe or LeBron ever did whether it was from the outside or the inside, he just made it look easy because he was able to break down a defense better than most. The difference between Michael and Kobe is, Kobe will take and sometimes make tough shots, Michael was the best creating space and getting a better look for his shot.

 

Rondo isn't the offensive threat that everyone thinks he is. Kobe gave him 6-7 feet of space and dared him to shoot a perimeter jumper. Let's not act like he defended Rondo by getting in his face.

Nope, Kobe didn't encounter help defense unless he went to the rim and the defense collapsed on him. Ray Allen did a great job single covering Kobe throughout the series.

So you're discounting Gasol's pts b/c they aren't as difficult as the shots Kobe makes? Are you aware that a layup and a 20 ft jumpshot are worth the same number of points?

This thread is about whether or not Kobe is overrated. You don't think your rating of Kobe is relevant as to whether or not he's overrated?

 

I wonder why Kobe didn't play this lock-down defense on Steve Nash when the Suns eliminated him 2 seasons in a row? Oh, could it be because you actually have to guard Steve Nash and can't just back 7 feet off of him and let him shoot? Or could it be because he didn't have two 7 footers behind him to deny penetration.

Let's add this to the other ways to overrate Kobe. "He shut Rondo down" when he actually just backed off him and let him shoot jumpers.

 

When I get home, I'll try to find video proof of what I'm trying to say. The way screens and off ball defense was played was very different back then. Defense is much more team oriented today. Detroit did start the collapse defense against Jordan which is the first form of defense you see by every team today.

It was much easier to create off ball space back then compared to now. I'll try and explain with video in a bit.

 

80s ball was better dude. Much more skilled players, and much better shooters.

Detroit bad boys would do fine in today's NBA with their defense.

Oh and Magic/Bird/Jordan/Olajuwon would be ok .

Shooters? everyone could shoot back then, not now where everyone cares about dunking.

 

People who diss the Old School need to go back to School cause they will get Schooled!

 

I just went through his vids and found this. lol

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era of NO DEFENCE: really? people play better defense than ever before. they have to guard the quickest guys the nba has ever seen in general, the three point line, and contest shots at the highest point. On average, people play much better defense now; watch the tape.

Could you imagine all those old greats... play defense without handchecking all the way to the three point line????

 

So you still don't get it? I've proved LeChoke is more overrated than Kobe.
How could Kobe be most overrated ever when LeChoke is more overrated? That's certainly relevant.

 

Nobody mentioned LeBron quit in game 6, he quit in game 5. There're video showing that he didn't want the ball at all. And game 6, despite his 19 rbs, he also had 9 TO they LOST the game. That's the point. At the end of the day, win/loss is the most important stat. Three years in a row, LeBron was in the team as the overwhelming favorite, had HCA and lost the series nonetheless. He didn't get LeChoke for no reason.

 

FT% were about the same. 3PT% was way lower. And I am not talking about individual player here, I am talking about the league overall. It's true everybody could shoot back then. But it's also true there was no defense specialist concept back then. Nowadays there are plenty of white players from NCAA who can make open shots but they don't get drafted into NBA at all. That they can shoot doesn't mean they're better players.

 

Sorry, but Lebron isn't overrated. He's held accountable for all his mistakes while Kobe is given a pass for all his.

So you're unwilling to give your top 10? That must mean you have Kobe ranked pretty highly. Sounds overrated to me....

It must suck to love Kobe and hate Lebron so much. When both their careers are over, barring injury, history will remember Lebron as being the better player.

 

To be fair, before joining Miami, Lebron didn't have teammates who could step up and bail him out. On the other hand, Kobe has had Fisher, Gasol, and Artest.

 

Kobe has 5 and LeChoke has 0. And you believe it must suck to love Kobe and hate LeChoke. LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL.

Well, don't you see one of the LeChoke nuthugger started this thread? If you look into mirror and you know why.

 

Kobe is credited with leading the Lakers to 2 titles. Shaq is credited for the other 3. Regardless of how many titles Miami wins, they will all be credited to Lebron.

I'm not really sure what you're trying to say here...

 

That didn't explain the disparity between regular season and playoff. In fact, all teams had at least made NBA finals once before LeBron when they got b2b 60 wins. LeChoke made a new record there.