using YOUR logic, pau gasol > kobe in the playoffs. gasol's win share was 4.3, kobe was 3.6 and for your info, kobe had a higher win share than shaq only in ONE playoff run in 2001 and it was 3.8 to 3.7. in 00 playoffs, shaq's WS was 4.7, kobe's 2.1 (HUGE) in 02 playoffs, it was 3.8 to 2.6 (HUGE) in 02-03, it was 2.4 to 1.5 (HUGE again) in 04, it was 3.9 o 2.9 (HUGE again) so you were saying? so basically, it was SHAQ's team from whatever angle you look at it. shaq was the more dominant player during their tenure BAR NONE. stats, finals MVPs, win shares... what else do you want to look at? and in the past 2 playoff runs w/ pau gasol: 09 - kobe was 4.7 to pau's 4.3 10 - kobe was 3.6 to pau's 4.3 so if you REALLY saw the playoffs, pau was arguably more valuable b/c he dominated both ends, and played much more efficiently, esp. in the finals.
hell, gasol's win share > kobe's in their 2 years together in the reg. season 09 - 13.9 to 12.7 advantage pau 10 - 11 to 9.4 advantage pau and in all of their seasons together, kobe only had ONE year of higher WIN SHARE in the reg. season (02-03). so goodbug, the stat you brought up does not favor kobe one bit. it actually makes him the lopsided sidekick.
Exactly. Too many what ifs. All we know is that Penny was not a great player. He was a good player with a lot of potential and he never lived up to it. Shaq not only became an all-time great, he was already a dominant force before he left Orlando.
You can use stats and logic with goodbug. His "gut" tells him Kobe is the greatest, so it must be so.
no, kobe shooting 6-24 actually made the game easier for pau, or so he claims. look, no one is denying kobe is one of the greatest of all time (you can argue he's top 10 of all time if he retires right now and i wouldn't say anything). he's been THAT good. he has achieved so much that there is nothing but respect for the guy. career-wise, he has had a better career than lebron and there is no denying that. he has more rings, but also been consistent without any significant injuries. lebron has a great chance to surpass kobe if he maintains this level of play BUT ALSO START winning. however, CURRENTLY, he is the better player. i don't know why he keeps arguing. you can argue kobe has a better jumper/post game or "more clutch" (though stats refute that clutchness). i don't mind. but to say kobe is the better player now when lebron just DESTROYS him in every statistical category imaginable is just laughable. straight up laughable. it'll be funny to watch how he reacts as the season unfolds and lebron continues his statistical dominance DESPITE playing with wade and bosh, while now hopefully winning some rings.
You cannot honestly be that stupid. This is the same guy that got surgery on company time and never recovered which killed LA's chances at a 4peat. Having summer time fun was more important to him than making NBA history. Shaq got traded and wanted to prove to Buss that he made a mistake so he got himself in shape again. This is not new to anyone ....... except maybe you.
And Shaq, the dominant force, couldn't win with Van Exel, Eddie Jones, Rick Fox, Robert Horry, Elden Campbell? What more should the MDE need? Oh I forgot. Someone to win games in crunch time when he became a liability.
He needed the greatest coach in the history of the game. It's not like the Lakers started winning as soon as Kobe became an all-star or a starter. They got swept by the Spurs in '99. PJ was the difference.
You proved my point again and again. Using the selective stats is so stupid. You keep bring out these win share, PER stuff, how if LeBron got the better stats, he's going to be the man in Heat blah blah. In reality, Kobe had higher win share in 01 playoff run, 03 and 04 regular seasons, and the Lakers were still widely considered Shaq's team, including Kobe himself. LeRobin will not change his sidekick status unless Wade has a season ending injury like Hill did. Gasol wasn't the better player in the team because he played off Kobe. Gasol isn't a good one on one player. He got a lot of open due to double team of Kobe and he's more efficient as big man should be.
If you really believe that LeBron will be the sidekick then why won't you accept the bet that t_mac1 and I proposed? If LeBron finishes higher than Wade in MVP votes and post better stats then you give to the tip jar. If not then we will.*
He won't do it because even after all the negative posts and all the hating, he knows damn well LeBron is the best player in the league right now.
the thing is, lebron beats kobe in basically EVERY stat you can bring out there (sure, you can always point out a few exceptions). but the disparity statistically b/t lebron and kobe is almost laughable. points, rebounds, assists, fg%, blocks, PER, MVP votes... all favor lebron in a big way the past 2 years.
Kobe finished higher than Shaq in 03 and 04 MVP votings and he's the sidekick. I don't know if LeBron will finish the MVP voting in front of Wade, but that doesn't change anything at all.
Low-level role players? lol Man, you're exaggerating. They're good players, and it was a very good team, and not just because one guy carried them on his shoulders through the entire season. They tried to surround him with good players, but they came up short. I don't blame LeBron for going to Miami; he was a free agent and he thought it would be the best move for himself. But to claim the Cavs were a bunch of scrubs is just silly.
True. But let's say Mike didn't win six rings and only won one or two do you think most people will still call him the GOAT? Or let's look at it this way what if Dream won five or six rings I'll bet most people would call him the GOAT hands down. I agree championships are won as a team but when talking about how great a player career is you have to talk about rings. I don't think rings should be the only factor but it should play a big part.
And Kobe's not? You're a complete joke. Also, I can see why being a ballhog would increase your points and assists, but how does that account for Lebron being much more efficient than Kobe?
Larry Bird was calling MJ God before he had ever won a playoff series. Magic was saying MJ was better than him and Bird before Jordan ever won a championship. Yeah, I think even with only one or two titles, people would have been calling MJ the GOAT.
