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Kobe Bryant on RIB

Discussion in 'NBA Dish' started by J.R., Aug 27, 2010.

  1. goodbug

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    It's not his personal/subjective projection. He reasoned the better team PER => better team. It failed miserably.

    That can't sit well with better PER => better player.

    Plus, I don't hear people use PER argument to make Wilt a better player than Jordan like how you did.


     
  2. Mr. Space City

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    big men still get the paint faster without defensive 3 seconds than with it.

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    even then kobe shot poorly being guarded by a 6 ft iverson and 6 ft 3 eric snow in the 01 finals vs. the sixers with a team mate who saw more double and triple teams than pippen has ever seen.

    kobe is not helping his case playing shorter defenders and still putting up sub par shooting performances.
     
  3. goodbug

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    Kobe has to be a prophet to know they'll be number 1 in next season after they had the same 40 wins roster for 2 years in a row.

    So if I predicted LeQuitter would win 10 straight had he stayed in Cavs. Is he 10 time worse?

     
  4. Mr. Clutch

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    Kobe also stated more than once in the media that he wanted to be traded. Sorry, but he was trying to quit. Please stop trying to rewrite history- it's in Wikipedia with footnotes, so it won't work.

    LeBron's team was a 60 win team because LeBron was that good. Let's see how good they are now.
     
  5. YaoZow

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    PER is a misguided attempt to quantify a player.

    Not unlike it's creator's misguided attempts to shove the Utah Jazz down our throats every year as the Champions.

    Hollinger can't quantify how the Lakers manage to win titles despite his odds and yet we're supposed to use his PER to quantify the best player? :p
     
  6. Mr. Clutch

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    I never once mentioned team PER.

    Wilt's career PER is lower than Jordan's. Owned by reality again.
     
  7. YaoZow

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    It's easy to say let's see how they do now, but it wasn't just Lebron that left.

    Cavs lost both their big men in SHaq and Big Z. They lost their sixth man in Delonte West.

    As for Kobe, last I heard, he's still in LA. And that decision to stay came 5 months before Pau stepped through the door.

    LeRobin took his talents to South Beach to play for D Wade, despite a 60 win team two seasons in a row.
     
  8. goodbug

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    What, you sit in the paint 3 seconds guarding no one and it's definitely illegal defense in old days. It's just a subset of illegal defense.

    And Jordan had 6-3 Joe Dumars as the toughest defensive player. 6-4 payton guarded him in 96 finals and he sucked bad. Kobe's used to face the like of Battier, Bowen, Artest. None of them are midgets like Jordan faced.

     
  9. Mr. Clutch

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    PER isn't perfect, but it's pretty good.
     
  10. goodbug

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    Huh Career? I saw someone listed 3 years of LeBron PER to prove a point. Talk to me when LeBron's PER didn't decrease next year.

     
  11. goodbug

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    Kobe's the reason they are 40 wins team. They'd win 10 without Kobe. LeBron's team can still win 30 without him, we can see that next year.

    He didn't want to quit. Buss said they'd build around Kobe but they didn't bring any quality player for 3 years. LeBron's getting all stars Mo, Shaq and Jamison for free but he couldn't deliver.

     
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    kobe was guarded by a rookie when he got his first finals mvp.

    jordan dropped 55 on a 6-6 215 pound Dan Majerle who was an All-Star and 2nd team All Defensive.

    and GP was a defensive player of the year.
     
  13. Mr. Clutch

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    Dude, your argument is false because LEBRON AVERAGED 30+ PERS THE LAST TWO SEASONS!!!!

    Jordan went to the hoop more than Kobe BECAUSE HE WAS BETTER.
     
  14. YaoZow

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    Per is good for separating good from bad players.

    But it's no good for separating great players from Legendary players.

    Plenty of great players great players like Lebron and DWade aroound. But legendary players like Jordan, Magic, Kobe, Wilt aren't determined by their PER.

    I haven't checked but I'll bet Barkley and Malone had great PER's.
     
  15. Mr. Clutch

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    I listed individual PER, not team PER (whatever that is).
     
  16. goodbug

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    If team PER is bad in comparing teams, what makes you believe individual PER is good at comparing players?

    Last time I checked, no one talked about PER when they entered HOF. But they did talk about rings.

     
  17. goodbug

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    Because LeBron did get Handcheck call, Kobe doesn't.
    What clips do you want? LeBron getting HC call or Kobe doesn't get HC call when he should?

     
  18. Mr. Clutch

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    Wow, more excuses. SMH.
     
  19. goodbug

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    And Kobe averaged 30/50% over Bowen. Had 7 or more 50+ games against Battier. Both are taller defensive players and famous for it. Majerle, give me a break.

     
  20. goodbug

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    What excuse, I am talking about the reality.
    You are welcome to come up with clips to prove that's not the case. Will you?

     

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