OK...i stand corerected when it comes to Griff....I happen to think that Griff will be a lot better than Kurt. However, Mo sucks. He sucks really bad. His career average is not 17 and 6...its 14 and 5 PATHETIC for a 4. KT is an 'ok' tweener...cannot score or rebound like Thomas. Next...I clearly stated that the trade was silly....I was just pointing out that Kurt is better than KT or MO. Who the hell pissed in your corn flakes?
MT looked pretty good last night. He actually rebounded and blocked two shots too. Give him one more chance...
I actually corrected that about Mo while you were posting my mistake. As for "Who the hell pissed in your corn flakes", I'm not the one who went off on a tangent, you're the one that ripped ME saying I've never seen Kurt Thomas play and how he is heads and shoulders better then all of our PFs and he is better then KT and Mo put together so I just responded. About Mo's 14-5 average, Kurt Thomas wasn't exactly lighting the world on fire up until the last year or 2. And he is 30 years old. <b>KT is an 'ok' tweener...cannot score or rebound like Thomas. </b> Yet KT averaged more ppg last year then Kurt Thomas. And his rebounding average was close to Kurt Thomas'
I never singled you out...so step off a re-read my post. I didnt go off on a tangent...I stated that I didnt condone the trade but that Thomas was better than our 4's ...then corrected myself when it came to Griff. And Im well aware that Kurt Thomas wasnt lighting the world on fire until the last year or 2....in fact i believe this is the exact quote... again... over the last year and a half Please proofread before YOU go off on tangents. Buh Bye
Actually, your post should read...Kurt Thomas averaged more rebounds than KT did (2 more in fact) and their scoring averages were close (.2 diff)
Before anyone who doesnt know me accuses me of being a Knick fan...let me clear it up by saying i HATE the Knicks...its just that I can admit that Kurt Thomas is better than some of our players
<b>I never singled you out...so step off a re-read my post.</b> I just assumed you did since you quoted my post, my mistake. <b>And Im well aware that Kurt Thomas wasnt lighting the world on fire until the last year or 2....in fact i believe this is the exact quote... again... over the last year and a half </b> What you said was <i>Im just pointing out that some of your comments lead me to believe that you people have never seen Kurt Thomas play...especially over the last year and a half.</i> </b> And what I'm saying is I did see Kurt Thomas play before the last year and a half. And while he is nice, I would take our PFs over him. <b>Please proofread before YOU go off on tangents.</b> I did, that's why I posted one of your quotes. <b>Buh Bye</b> Bye.
And your post should read "Kurt Thomas barely outplayed a tweener". <b>Before anyone who doesnt know me accuses me of being a Knick fan...let me clear it up by saying i HATE the Knicks...its just that I can admit that Kurt Thomas is better than some of our players</b> That's just your opinion. When our back-up PF can step in and put up 14 ppg and 7 rpg, and Kurt Thomas puts up 13 ppg and 9 rpg in his best season I have a hard time saying Thomas is heads and shoulders better then our PFs. Other then 2 rpg more then KT what says he is better then KT?
NJR - I already knew you weren't a Knicks fan. Thanks for clarifying that you hate MoT worse than you hate the Knicks. Or did I miss this one?
OMG, codell, I was studying for a statistics exam and was DEAD tired....but when I read your post I BROKE OUT laughing....LOL! But anyways, the Knicks would KILL for any one of our PF's except for maybe Kenny Thomas. Not saying he's bad, just that his skills aren't as known to everyone else as they are to us. Mo Taylor is an incredible scorer, and Eddie Griffin is going to be an All Star. Kurt Thomas scored points on a crappy team last year. That's all he's ever done. Oh, and he's more foul prone than any player on our roster. Oh, and like codell beautifully put it, he can't beat anyone on our team out of a spot, but he can sure do it to his wife apparently. It makes me angry to see so many possibilities for greatness go to waste on such a crappy GM. Can you imagine if Boston cuold afford New York's payroll? How about the Spurs? I have NO clue why they keep Layden there. The one move he made flopped because McDyess is out for the season. So basically, he's done NOTHING. McDyess being out for 2 seasons is horrible, and Houston making 100M to shoot nothing but jumpers is even worse. What's worse than that is Sprewell playing on a team where he's not appreciated. Here's some things the Knicks should consider: Trade EVERYONE but McDyess. but only because his contract runs out this offseason. Some ideas: Allan Houston, Charlie Ward, Othella Harrington and a second rounder to Minnesotta for Terrell Brandon (will barely play, maybe not at all), Joe Smith, Anthony Peeler, Wally Szcerbiack, and parts (Felipe Lopez and Maurice Evans). Then trade Latrell Sprewell to San Antonio for Steve Smith, Steve Kerr, and maybe a future conditional pick. Steve Smith, Steve Kerr, Terrell Brandon, and Anthony Peeler all come off the books in 1 season, MAYBE 2. They unload 4 years from Allan Houston, and 2 years for Spree. In return, they basically get a pick from San Antonio, Wally Szerbiack, and bring down the payroll to a point where they have an almost normal one in 2 years. Mcdyess, Kurt thomas and Micheal Doleac all also come off the books in 2 years. Start from scratch. it's too screwed up to just fix on the fly.
Id actually have to say that I do hate the Knicks worse than I hate Mo T. After all, I DO hope Mo T contributes since we are stuck with him. YOU broke out laughing?
Scott Layden has single handedly ruined the Knicks. He is so desparate to prove they can win with both Sprewell and Houston, hes making decisions that are ruining the Knicks future. He also pushed Ewing out the door. The same way that Hakeem should have finished his career here no matter what, Ewing should have too. At least we didnt push a Hall of Famer to leave, Hakeem wanted to leave. Ewing didnt. I dont like Ewing or the Knicks, but you dont push the greatest player in franchise history (argueable) out the door like that. It was obvious that when Ewings skills started to decline, the Knicks had no chance and it was all over. Layden should have let Ewing stay on with grace, and got rid of Spree and Houston when they were still worth alot. They could have rebuilt quicker and drafted a Yao Ming or someone like that. Its ridiculous that Layden thinks they can win without a big man and with Houston and Spree instead. You dont win titles without a big man that commands double teams, unless you are Michael Jordan.
I agree, the Knicks need to just blow that team up. The McDyess deal would have been a great deal if his knee was healthy. Other then that it has been one stupid deal after another. It's hard to believe this is the same guy that built the Jazz back-to-back conference championship teams. Unbelievable.
Isnt it rewarding to see the Knicks suffer like this? I dont think Scott Layden can get a whole lot of credit for those Jazz teams either. Malone and Stock were around before Layden even got that job. Of course, nepotism is what got him the job in the first place. But thats another discussion.......
The annoying part of the Knicks upcoming poor season (if there is an annoying aspect of it)..is that I can forsee the lotto fix so that they land Lebron James
Good call, NJR... I wouldn't want to bet against New York hitting the jackpot. I don't see how they stay out of Lotto Land.
