RD, for you to say to someone else: "So let's stop skewing facts and making our own opinions seem like truth please" is the most ironic thing I have ever seen. Just amazing!
Look, I like JVG and all, but he's a snake. He's a politician of the first degree. He knows what to say, how to say it, and how to deflect blame off himself when necessary without making it look too obvious. I would not be surprised at all if he does have a lot of say in what players we get (he's the coach, after all, how can CD or Morey not consult with him regarding midseason moves? I can see how he might not have much say/involvement in some offseason moves (draft, etc), but definitely he has to be involved in midseason roster changes that can and do affect the outcome of the season, and thus his job security). I think he would be lying if he says that he has absolutely no input on midseason moves. May be not as much input on whom we draft, but don't you think he would be consulted in possible midseason trades and major offseason moves (i.e. the McGrady trade)? I would think so, and it's difficult to argue otherwise.
I definitely agree- JVG can get all the credit for good moves he wants. He does not have to take any responsibility for stupid non- moves like this. He does not need to be burdened with thinking about personell decisoins until he needs to be or specifically needs some type player. I'm not knocking JVG- so JVG fans - do not hyperventilate-but he does have a lot of input in that personell decision making comittee-owner-CD-MOrey- and JVG....
I thought it was the other way around. I recall that someone on this board said JVG wanted to make a trade ( for a PG?), but CD didn't want to disrupt the chemistry.
It has to be more to it then what the Rockets are reporting. I know there is no way hell they wouldnt trade a scrub like Lucas for a big man with range and potential like Klieza. Nuggets must have wanted alot more.
No. The real story once everything came up was Minny deal with Hayes to Minny and James would come here. This included Sura's deal. Then we do this trade with Denver. What it was is that Dawson and Morey and JVG agreed they wanted to keep Juwan and Minny didn't want his contract. That was the issue of chemistry. The blurb about the Denver deal was that JVG didn't want THAT deal because of chemistry. And if we were not getting James we would need Lucas. In other words, when it came down to it JVG didn't want to have to play Spanoulis so we didn't make the trade. On the one hand, I agree in keeping Juwan, I agree in keeping Hayes, I agree in not going after James. On the other hand not doing the Lucas deal was STUPID. And the only reason that was not done was because JVG thought it would upset the chemistry. But read between the lines, if they did do the trade and did bring in James, that could have upset chemistry. Trading a 3rd string PG for a talented young player that can play 3 positions would not disrupt chemistry. It was JVG saying that if they were not going to ge James, he wasn't giving up Lucas no matter what, because then he would occasionally have to play Spanoulis. It takes the absolute most minimal thinking and connecting the dots to see this.
i thought the chronicle said that JVG, and the gms were sold on juawn-jame deal until minesota added hayes?
as i posted earlier, denver were trying to avoid luxury tax. they're slightly under now but contract bonuses could still put them over.
only one obscure source (not the chron) suggested hayes but everyone else were claiming a no.1 pick and eddie griffin
And I don't believe Denver is that stupid to trade Kleiza for LJ3. Kleiza is a very decent backup, while LJ3 is useless. LJ3 is not Boykins.
Agreed. I don't remember either that the Kleiza and LJ3's deal have been brought up in this BBS (I don't read Chron). JVG does have a big ego but I don't think he is that stupid to turn down the JL3 deal, if it did exist. I don't even know if JL3 has any trade value.
?? Agreed- why would Denver do this deal?? I really think JVG would not think twice to improve his team!!
Link? I couldn't find a Chronicle story that said that, but I did find this: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/writers/ian_thomsen/02/22/deadline.reaction/1.html "Also Thursday, Houston had been expected to acquire Mike James (and potentially Eddie Griffin) in a multiplayer deal that would have sent Juwan Howard to Minnesota. But the Rockets pulled back when coach Jeff Van Gundy pointed out that his team has benefited from excellent chemistry, and did Houston want to risk upsetting the balance? There's no arguing with that claim: GM Carroll Dawson has said this is the best locker room he has seen in 28 years. The Rockets were also looking at a complementary deal to send one of their point guards (possibly John Lucas) for a power forward (potentially Denver's Linas Kleiza), but that fell through when they decided to stick with Howard." Also, from Jonathan Feigen's blog: http://blogs.chron.com/nba/2007/02/lot_of_smoke_no_fire.html "We know he worked it for Mike James. I'm certain of last night's report that the Timberwolves insisted that teams take Eddie Griffin to get James. That would have pushed the money well past Bob Sura level, requiring the Rockets include someone from their rotation. No deal." So basically, the Howard/James/Griffin deal fell through, either because JVG didn't want to screw up the chemistry (remember, Mike James and Eddie Griffin) or because they would have had to give up another rotation player to make the trade. Because they were no longer planning to trade Howard, they abandoned the idea of a trade potentially involving Lucas and/or Kleiza. I think it would be a bit of a stretch to say that a straight-up Lucas/Kleiza trade was on the table and that JVG singlehandedly nixed it just because he's an ass.
