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Kiplinger Names Houston #1 City to Work, Live & Play

Discussion in 'Other Sports' started by Jeff, May 29, 2008.

  1. Shroopy2

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    *sighs*.... not you at all

    There's been that growing population of metro'd out men in Texas conscious of what they're image is that always wanted a place to call their own. They tend to say things like this, cuz the simpletons of Texas are too limited in thought and imagination to see what "more life has to offer". They call that place Austin, and sometimes Dallas.

    I dont know why it is or how it came to be but a lot of people in Houston simply don't gives a rat's ass what people think. And its less than self confident people that can't stand that.
     
  2. Jeff

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    I've lived in Austin and I just didn't like the people. The whole "keep austin weird" thing was fine 15 years ago, but they sell that at gas stations now and the biggest surge in population there is outside the city centers in, shock, the suburbs.

    And if you want weird, there is no WAY it can top Houston. It's not even close. :) I lived in Austin when it still really was bohemian and not overtaken by tech companies. Even then, there wasn't anything as odd as The Orange Show or the Art Car Parade or the Montrose or the ship channel or the Menil. There still isn't the level of culture (outside independent music) there that there is here - symphony, ballet, theater, art museums - it isn't even close. Houston has more in common with New York or LA in that regard than Austin.

    It's funny because I was just having this conversation with a couple people who had just moved to Houston from Austin and a person wanting to move there. They said the same thing. They like the scenery and they enjoy the music, but the people, the ever-increasing traffic problems and the expense to live in a cool part of town was just getting to be too much. Like me, they live in the Heights where you can walk or bike to pretty much anything you want - food, groceries, music, work, parks, whatever - and they prefer it to the state capital.

    But, I'm not here to badmouth Austin, because it is a really cool city and I do enjoy spending time there, just not living there.

    It seems like the perceptions of Houston on the whole that are so negative tend to stem from life outside the loop, particularly out in the suburbs. Well, sure, it sucks out there. Suburbs suck basically everywhere and the traffic driving into a city like Houston from out in the boonies is a pain in the ass, without a doubt. Ask anyone who tries to drive in LA or drive into NYC or Chicago. Try driving around Miami or Atlanta. It's sucks.

    But, move into town - downtown, midtown, the Heights, West U., near north side, Galleria, etc - and it's a completely different situation. I'm within a short walk or bike ride of dozens of independently owned restaurants and coffee shops, art galleries and museums, bars, pubs, live music venues, antique shops, mom and pop stores, parks. If I get in my car, I'm a 10-minute (tops) drive from world class theaters, museums, restaurants, state of the art sports facilities, two private and two public universities (including one of the best in the country) with very little if any traffic most of the time.

    The heat sucks in the summer, no doubt, but no more than the frigid winters up north and, unless I'm mistaken, only a few places in the country can claim near perfect year-round weather. We're within a couple hours driving distance from the ocean, the hill country, the piney woods, lakes, rivers and any kind of outdoor recreation imaginable except maybe snow skiing.

    AND, we have one of the lowest costs of living in the US to go along with one of the most diverse populations and nicest group of citizens (we're always ranked in the top 5 when they do the nicest cities in America surveys).

    I don't begrudge anyone for wanting to live in another city and I certainly don't take cracks at your location. Everyone who loves where they live sees their city the way they want. But, I'm not going to disparage Houston either. Amazingly, there are quite a few people who like living here and not just because it's cheap.

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    Oh, and FYI, the CITY of Houston is predominantly liberal. Democrats still dominate most of the major elections and even Gore carried Houston against Bush (our native...cough...son). But, get outside the city into the county and it is extremely conservative. This is not dramatically different from the areas outside of Austin.
     
  3. IROC it

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    Walkscore:

    Childhood home town Lake Jackson, TX (52 miles south of Houston) 54 -currently- sure it was worse back then.

    Current home in Plano, TX: 82 Not bad.
     
  4. tinman

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    you live in Plano?
     
  5. IROC it

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    yep..
     
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    since i just popped into the last page of the thread and saw this comment i always see, i have to ask why do people always say this? what does everyone have against the suburbs. i guess they're kinda like Houston in that everyone hates them and yet so many people live there. i grew up in the suburbs and loved it. i live inside the loop now and don't hate it or anything, but if it wasn't much easier to get to work going against traffic and i wasn't too young to get a home yet i would much rather be in the suburbs. open spaces, actual parking, landscaping and green grass all over the place at businesses or houses, all the stores in the world you need to get stuff from close by, good malls and movie theaters, better golf courses, better schools if you have kids, cleaner, less crime. i don't see the big problem.

    maybe it's just that i don't get hairlipped by going to a chain restaurant or any other store that, God forbid, has multiple franchises or can drive by a strip mall and not hate it and other people just value those things so much (as those are the 2 things that seem to come up the most often), but i just don't get what so many have against the suburbs. i guess if you want to be by museums and theaters then you'll lose out and the nightlife isn't as good, but i guess those aren't high enough on my priority list to beat out the other things i mentioned above.
     
  7. tinman

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    i interviewed at Capital One a couple years ago, i think it was in Plano.
    The houses looked nice.
     
  8. MadMax

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    My city's better.

    No, my city's better.

    Noooo...my city's better.
     
  9. gr8-1

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    Cuisine?
     
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    I don't think Austin will ever have the theater scene of those major cities. Austin is too small.


    I think alot of people dislike Austin just to be contrarian really. I've never been to the art car parade, etc so I guess I'll take your word for it on what city is stranger.


    And, I agree wtih Francis, what's wrong with the burbs if you're going to raise a family?
     
  11. ima_drummer2k

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    Oh no!

    Please like Houston, jgreen91. Please? Won't you please reconsider? I just can't live with myself if you don't.

    :(
     
  12. Jeff

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    The biggest complaint in here about Houston is the sprawl, the traffic and strip malls making Houston "ugly." The suburbs are the basic reason for that problem. You build places to live 20 miles outside the city and what do you expect?

    There is nothing inherently wrong with living in the suburbs if that is what you want, but the complaints about Houston are usually centered around problems created by their existence and those same people largely ignore the advantages of living in the city center.

    Like I said, I like Austin, just not to live there and I think there is some truth to your statement. Some of the evidence for why people say they don't like Austin is in this thread. :)

    And MadMax is right about this argument. I like LOTS of cities. I love San Francisco and NYC. I really enjoy Colorado and I'm dying to visit Seattle and Portland. Memphis, Chicago, upstate New York, Boston...all amazing places and there are tons more.

    Better is subjective.
     
  13. SWTsig

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    spoken like someone who probably lives/lived in pearland or sugar land or katy or spring and grew up with nothing but long commutes, strip malls, and cookie cutter homes.

    if you dont live inside the loop, or spend a great deal of time there, your opinion regarding how houston compares with other cities (miami? phoenix?? really???) is irrelevant.
     
  14. thegary

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    isn't it relatively expensive to live inside the loop?
     
  15. SWTsig

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    compared to the suburbs? yes.

    compared to many other cities' core/urban centers? hell no.
     
  16. Rocketman95

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    I think that's rapidly changing now. In Katy, I can go out to locally owned bars and restaurants, do any shopping I need and pretty much only have to into town if I want to see a sporting event or go to the museums. Nothing against any of the other areas in town, but I think the suburb hate has jumped the shark.
     
  17. BMoney

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    I liked living in Houston when we lived in the inner loop. We lived off of West Grey right by Allen Parkway and it was cool to go outside and hang out with the Art Car Parade folks, or look up and see an awesome fireworks display from the porch. I enjoyed being right in the heart of things and still being able to walk around and go to places like Texas Junk Company, or the Menil Collection. My wife is from New Zealand and we moved here in 2002. I am not going to get into which place is better, but when we have visited in 2004 and last year, Houston didn't feel like home anymore and I think part of it is because all of my relatives live way out in the outskirts of the city. I missed the Houston that *I* lived in, but the driving-50-miles-to-do-anything, strip-malled version felt exhausting and alienating.

    I am glad that people are finally having a conversation about the sustainability of the driving culture. I have lived it my whole life and I want a change. Auckland is sort of the NZ version of Houston-style sprawl, but people here still think I'm crazy because I drive 35 kilometers (about 20 miles) to work every day. I used to think that's hardly any commute at all, but when I think that I spend over two hours a day in the car, I can't help but think that there has to be a better way.
     
  18. Lynus302

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    Excellent, excellent post. I hate having to defend Houston to outsiders, most of whom have never ever been here. I'm happy and proud to do it, I just really, really hate the perception outsiders have of Houston effing Texas.

    Re: the political thing: I was in NoCal a couple months back. Telling people there about life in Houston was akin to telling someone about the social life on Mars. People truly have no idea; they just don't get it. People were shocked to hear we have something in the neighborhood of 5 million people 'round these parts. They were equally shocked to hear how liberal (at least socially) Houston itself is. They were shocked to hear about our opera, our ballet, our symphony, our theater, our restaurants, and our museums. They would nearly have a collective aneurysm when I'd mention Montrose and our huge gay population and community, as well as our diversity in general.

    People think of it as one big Enron building surrounded by a bunch of close-minded rednecks, and that pisses me off.

    THAT'S the part I hate about Houston: other people's perceptions of it. Granted, I'm all for better public transportation (and I'd sure as hell use it if it were there), and I'd love to see more of a downtown community as others have mentioned. But that stuff is coming. Enron did so much to hurt our reputation....it still amazes me how much....especially to the folks in California.

    Keep spreading the word, people. Houston's a great place to live.
     
  19. SWTsig

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    and the Houston economy continues to boom....

    http://www.houston.org/economyataglance/Glance0608.pdf

     
  20. ROCKET RICH NYC

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    I just moved to Houston from New York and I can tell you that public transportation is overrated. There are things that I love about Houston more than New York. I don't want Houston to be another Urban city like New York. If I wanted NY, I would've stayed in NY. However, I don't want Houston to turn into L.A. that's for sure.
     

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