I agree. Plus, regardless of the direction the team is going, if all Martin does with the Rockets is the same thing he's done with the Kings the last few years, then he is still an asset. Unfortunately, the length of his contract makes it less attractive, but I think he'd at least still be a tradeable commodity. Of course, the best scenario would be to trade for him without using Mcgrady's contract, but even using McGrady's contract, a player like Martin would seem to be the upper end of what you'd get back in return, talent wise. Meaning, not a superstar, but all star type. And I'm not convinced that sucking/tanking and clearing as much cap room as possible next year is the way to go.
Problem is, while it's not a bad idea to trade for Martin, is he really able to be a primary first or second scoring option on a good team (ie not putting up good numbers on a bad or mediocre team, like a Michael Redd)? I think we have to turn Mcgrady's contract into our next HUGE piece, whether it be through trade or gambling on 2010 free agency. We can't take that money and end up blowing it on a player who cannot help carry us in a big way...otherwise we're looking at more first round exits. I haven't seen Martin enough to judge whether or not he can do that, but if he can't then you just can't make this trade.
You are preaching to the choir!! Everytime someone comes available, the fans want to trade T-Mac for that player!! If it's not Kobe, LeBron, D Wade, or Bosh for get it!! Not even Amare, he is just as injured as McGrady. KMart can not carry a team, he is a role player at best and any who disagrees is full of s@%t!!!!!!!
I'm not going to question your IQ level because I don't know you personally, but the arguement you are making is ignorant (without knowledge)!! One of the requirements to create, IS TO create for others!! Other wise you are simply going one-on-one, basically you are getting by your man. To create in basketball terms, means that you can beat your man off the dribble and setting up your teammates for easier shots. Look at some of T-Mac's videos when he passes to Yao. Since, T-Mac averages over 5 assist for his career, why don't we just keep him?
I side with leebigeez here and others saying that getting Martin makes sense, even if we're rebuilding. Interesting angle: Adelman and Martin, I believe, overlapped in Sacramento for the first two years of Martin's career. So Rick would really know him well; that said, Martin didn't really explode until the year Rick was gone.
A couple of thoughts: 1. He didn't get too many assists. But if you are shooting .605 TS% for your career, is not passing really a bad idea all that often? Would the guy you pass too (unless he's getting a open layup or dunk) expect to score at a higher rate? It's kind of like Kevin McHale being a "blackhole" in the 80s. It's really not a negative if you are able to score efficiently for your team. 2. Taking a quick glance at the Kings stats with him on/off the court, it sure seems they are generally better on the offensive end over the last couple years when he's on the court. Any alleged lack of passing hasn't exactly hurt the team on that end. They are, however, worse defensively with him on, though... he's not much of a defender (neither was anyone else on that team, except when Artest felt like playing D), but one would think a team with good defenders around him can minimize his deficiencies unless he's completely lost on that end (which I don't think he is... he's not "Steve Novak bad" on D)
I like the way he plays. He cares about scoring points, and he actually looks to draw contract when he drives. He might be an offensive flopper but he's on our team so who cares. He will always get free throws, not to mention he is also young. I would definitely entertain the idea of trading for him.
When a perrenial lottery team decides to publicly discuss trading its best player then you know the goods are tainted. Case in point Orlando saw McGrady for what he was 5 years ago and now the Rockets are finding out the same thing. Now having said that I wouldn't mind a trade if Kevin Martin comes at a good exchange rate but he is not worth offering T-Mac plus Brooks. Locking up 45 million dollars for a guy who isn't even an All-Star. I would offer Battier, Lowry and one of our 2nd round picks from this past draft. If we are looking to really get an excellent SG on the cheap the Rudy Fernandez is the best guy for the job.
Pau Gasol? The T-Wolves were in the lottery three years in a row, and getting worse every year, when KG was traded. Gilbert Arenas' Warriors teams sucked, he went to DC and those squads started to see the playoffs again. Not saying it doesn't also work the way you say...it does, but I think this is about as player specific and team specific and situation specific as it gets. I agree with you though on the offer, primarily because I think Aaron is something of real value in this league, especially if he gets better, as I think he will, from a pure experience, repetition and confidence perspective...and I'd hate to give that up, even if getting something solid in return.
Create means to create. If the defense is set and a player does something to make a good offensive opportunity for others or himself, he has created. I will say a good creator is generally a player that does both.
I agree create means to create. Often it is done off the dribble though. You don't see Rafer Alston being hailed as the best creator when he just simply passes the ball to Tmac or Yao and sets up the offense and starts the offensive sets. Players such as LeBron, BRoy, Tmac are one of the few great wing creators in the league right now and they rely on beating people off the dribble to create. because thats the only way you can create open shot opportunities whether for yourself or others. but creating for others is valued WAY WAY more than just being able to create and score for yourself.....thats why great passing point guards are so hard to find in the league...there are a TONNE of guys on the GS Warriors that can create...Monta...Maggette.....Stephen Jackson...Azubuike....and without someone who can create for OTHERS like Baron Davis...look at how they've fared. There are a tonne of guards that can create their OWN SHOT...stephon marbury.....mike bibby...jamal crawford....tj ford...our very own aaron brooks..yet they are nowhere near as good than someone that can create for OTHERS...nash...cp3...rondo...lowry... tmac creates for others... kmart creates for himself/// tmac >>> kmart
Maybe u should look up or try to understand create. Create in basketball terms can mean a shot, a pass, or all 3 for you or a teammate not reserved strictly for someone else. Martin creates plays for himself. Judging by how efficient he is at it, that's a good thing. Most plays Iverson created were for himself. There isn't anything wrong with that. Martin is a pure scorer. He isn't a just a shooter or just a slasher. If you buy directv and watch him, you will notice he will have 3 atts from 3, 12 attpts from inside the arc and 6-8 atts from the line. That's why he is a elite scorer much like carmello. Now we can talk basketball all day anyday, but I think you might want to get a better understanding of the game and not from a video game before challenging me .
First KG DEMANDED a trade when he reached 30 and was looking to win a championship. Also the Twolves acquired one the best young big man Al Jefferson in that deal. Now then reason Twolves suck is because of their blunders in the draft, traded Brandon Roy for Randy Foye and the traded him for Ricky Rubio but now Rubio refuses to play for them and holds the hostage. Thats a team with terrible management. Second, the Warriors didn't trade Arenas, he pulled a Boozer on them and signed that monster deal with Washington. Get your facts straight. Now I give you Gasol but then we are talking about Memphis here. Really? From what I can tell the Kings have been building around Martin for 3 years now and he is still very young and hasn't made any demand to be traded to a contender like many unhappy players do very often. This leads me to believe the Kings have realized he is just a bad investment ($45 million) in the long term and so they are wanting to unload him before his value drops significantly. I still would do the trade but not with T-Mac or Brooks. Battier is the one worth giving up and taking a chance with Martin.
would we really need martin to create??? i mean it would nice and all but he is a good shooter and i think he would be a good fit. dont think we've had a good young shooter like him on the team in a while. he would put pressure on the opposing team by spreading the floor and running around screens. we can pick up an allstar next summer and martin will be our shooter. what does his contract look like?
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