Would be a great pickup if we could get him. Runs off screens well and has a great offensive arsenal. Would be a real good fit for Rick's offense. His Defense is a worry, especially paired with Brook's in the back court but we also have Ariza and Battier who are good help/weak side defenders to cover for that. Chuck isnt bad either. I could easily see Sac biting on Tmacs expiring plus fillers from both sides. On another note. Wouldnt it be great seeing Brooks, Martin, Ariza, Scola and Dorsey getting up and down the floor! Now thats Run n Gun Basketball I'd watch.
ehh...more like a more mature Von Wafer. He's a complete zero in terms of playmaking and he can't defend. The Kings should have kept John Salmons and traded him.
He's good but not great. He's a scorer and at times inconsistent at that as well. He's not a playmaker/creator. He works well with a good passing point guard and right now, ours is on the bench.
Von Wafer is nothing compared to Martin. Wafer's career TS% is .503 (terrible), with last year being the only acceptable year at .541. Wafer averaged, in his best season, 17.9 points per 36 mins. Kevin Martin's career TS% is .605 (elite), with last year (an injury laden down year) at .601. Martin averaged more than 23 points per 36 mins each of the last 2 seasons. Von Wafer is, in his best season so far, a decent sparkplug off thebench with slightly above average efficiency. Kevin Martin is an elite scorer, who played starters minutes and scored at an ridicuoulsy high rate in terms of both volume and efficiency.
If you are trying to convince me that Kevin Martin is better than Von Wafer (bravo, really) then I think you missed the point of my post. The poster I quoted was comparing him to Rip Hamilton who is at least an adequate passer and a much better defender. I think the taller you get the more people are enamored with your shooting ability - even if you lack any ability to make use of your height in any meaningful way. I mean, he's basically Steve Nash...except with absolutely no passing ability, sort of like a Leandro Barbosa. Superstar in the making baby! Kevin Martin, elite scorer - yes Kevin Martin, elite player - not even close I know, he has the shooting percentages that make a stat guys' mouth water but the kid brings absolutely nothing else to the table. If anyone's the anti-Battier, it's him (see what i did there, you know, people worship Battier kinda like...nevermind). When Battier has an off shooting night, he's still contributes in other ways. Kevin Martin is completely useless on an off night, possibly a detriment to the team.
U get martin now and that's one less player u have to go after next yr. Battier, lowry, and barry for Martin. Martin is a very underrated player. He gets to the rim, a very efficient scorer, tougher than he looks, and he's 25,26. Kings get a young pg in lowry, a glue guy in shane, and a expiring in barry.
Last season after a game with Sacramento, Sam Amick wrote a piece on Artest. He also mentioned he heard rumors of K-Mart for McGrady trade talk. Reason I mention it is, if there was any truth to trade talks with us but didnt happen, It just might happen at a later date kinda like Artest. I tried looking for it again but coudlnt find it.On a side note, on the same page of the blog, Amick said he was told TMac and Artest were not getting along and "surprisingly the Rockets were siding with Artest"
http://www.sacbee.com/static/weblogs/sports/kings/archives/2009/02/trade-winds-kee.html http://www.sacbee.com/static/weblogs/sports/kings/archives/2009/04/arco-overtime.html
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=lab6x9 T-mac, Brian Cook, and James White for Kevin Martin, Kenny Thomas (8.8 MIL expiring), and Beno Udrih ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Kings get lots of cap relief for next season... Rockets take back a bad contract in Udrih.... not awful he averaged 11 pts 5 assists last year. Kevin Martin is basically the big 2010 acquisition. Brooks/Lowry/Udrih Martin/Taylor Ariza/Battier/Budinger Scola/Landry/Hayes Andersen/Dorsey buy out Brent Barry let him go back to the Spurs or any other contender to win a title
Kevin Martin would have been my best case scenario were Yao still healthy and Artest re-signed. But with the direction this team is going, I wouldn't make the move. He's not good enough to be the best player on a championship team. I am aware of his jaw-dropping shooting statistics, but this is essentially a 190 lb. shooting guard that cannot create off the dribble. We might have won the title with him on this year's team, but going forward it's not a good fit at that price tag. The predictable response will be to question who we could possibly pursue that would be a better option. I would honestly just prefer to add two players of a lesser caliber. If he's the final piece, like he would have been a month ago, it makes great sense, but I don't think you can build a title team around Kevin Martin. And we are essentially building a team. All moves have to be made with the presupposition of Yao never returning.
The Rockets are not going to take the risk on another injury prone player with KMart's build. It's one thing to be out for a definite period of time, but when you have a number of sporadic, versatile injuries making you miss big chunks of the season, it's not a good sign.
My lip just quivered and I just shed a tear... After 7 years "lurking" on these threads... this is the first trade proposal that was ever written that has made sense... good job Ziggy (sniffle)... good job!
I say we trade Tmac for Kevin Martin and Kenny Thomas if the Kings decides to go that route. Works on the trading machine plus we're not bringing in any bad contracts.
Wow, I hope that first link is not what I remembered. For some reason I remember Amick mention the trade, then proceed to evaluate Martin as a player/worth to the Kings, and whether or not the Kings should ever trade him. Maybe I mixed up two different articles, thus I coudlnt find it Anyways, when Artest was still with the Kings, he and Martin were having some sort of "duel" of who the team belonged to, and both decided to shoot like they were the number one option to prove it (Much like what happened last season w/ Artest and McGrady.....I think). So i didnt think the trade would happen, but Artest says he still talks to Martin so I guess it was just an on the court deal. I dunno.
I don't disagree with u a lot, but I do this time. To say he can't create off the dribble is false. He may not create for others off the dribble, but to get to the line as much as he does warrants him creating off the dribble. Yao or no yao, this is a 26 yr old elite scorer. Not shooter, not slasher, scorer. He scored in a bunch of different ways. You pair him with brooks and ariza at the 1,2,3 and now you have explosion. In. the 4th qt, now you have 2 80% ft shooters on the perimeter in brooks and martin. Martin is smallish, but so was reggie miller. If you get a chance to get a guy of his caliber now, you do it. If yao comes back next yr, he still can be a good option, not the sole option. The team would have enough slasher and scorers to overcome the yao fronting syndrome. If yao don't come back and mcgrady's deal isn't part of it, u can go get bosh or amare as a 4 and move forward.
