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King James bible fraught with "embarrassing inaccuracies"...

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by KingCheetah, Nov 18, 2004.

  1. MR. MEOWGI

    MR. MEOWGI Contributing Member

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    "It made me reflect that half the people in the world think that the metaphors of their religious traditions, for example, are facts. And the other half contends that they are not facts at all. As a result we have people who consider themselves believers because they accept metaphors as facts, and we have others who classify themselves as atheists because they think religious metaphors are lies."

    What Myths Do

    I view traditional mythologies as serving four functions. The first function is that of reconciling consciousness to the preconditions of its own existence – that is, of aligning waking consciousness to the mysterium tremendum of this universe, as it is.

    The primitive mythologies – including most of the archaic mythologies – are concerned with helping people to assent or say yes to that. They do it, however, in the most monstrous way, by enacting rituals of horrendous murder right in front of onlookers' eyes with the whole community participating in it. If one cannot affirm that, one is not affirming life, for that is what life is. There came then in human history a moment when consciousness refused to accept this interpretation and there arose a system of mythologies concerned with helping people to remove themselves, to place themselves at a distance from this conception of basic experience.

    The Zoroastrian religion appeared, presenting the notion that the world was originally good – harmless, so to say – and that an evil principle moved in to precipitate a fall. Out of that fall came this unfortunate, unhappy, unintended situation known as the human condition. By following the doctrine of Zoroaster, by participating in a good work, persons associate themselves with the forces of restoration, eliminating the infection of evil and moving on toward the good again.

    Essentially, this is the mythology, in broad terms, found in the biblical tradition: the idea of a good creation and a subsequent fall. Instead of blaming the fall on an evil principle antecedent to man, the biblical tradition blamed it on man himself. The work of redemption restores the good situation and, this completed, will bring about the end of the world as we know it – that is, the world of conflict and contest, that universe of life eating life.

    Whether one thinks of the mythology in terms of the affirmation of the world as it is, the negation of the world as it is, or the restoration of the world to what it ought to be, the first function of mythology is to arouse in the mind a sense of awe before this situation through one of three ways of participating in it: by moving out, moving in, or effecting a correction.

    This I would regard as the essentially religious function of mythology -- that is, the mystical function, which represents the discovery and recognition of the dimension of the mystery of being.

    The second function of a traditional mythology is interpretive, to present a consistent image of the order of the cosmos. At about 3200 B.C. the concept of a cosmic order came into being, along with the notion that society and men and women should participate in that cosmic order because it is, in fact, the basic order of one's life.

    Earlier than this, in primitive societies, the focus of awe was not on a cosmic order but on the extraordinary appearance of the animal that acts differently from others of its species, or on a certain species of animal that seems to be particularly clever and bright, or on some striking aspect of the landscape. Such exceptional things predominate in the primitive world mythologies. In the period of the high civilizations, however, one comes to the experience of a great mysterious tremendum that manifests itself so impersonally that one cannot even pray to it, one can only be in awe of it.

    The gods themselves are simply agents of that great high mystery, the secret of which is found in mathematics. This can still be observed in our sciences, in which the mathematics of time and space are regarded as the veil through which the great mystery, the tremendum, shows itself.

    The science, in all of the traditional mythologies, reflected that of its time. It is not surprising that the Bible reflects the cosmology of the third millennium B.C. Those who do not understand the metaphor, the language of religious revelation, find themselves up against the images that they accept or contest as facts.

    One of the most stunning experiences of this century occurred in 1968 on a great venture around the moon. On Christmas Eve, the first verses of Genesis were read by astronauts, three men flying around the moon. The incongruity was that they were several thousand miles beyond the highest heaven conceived of at the time when the Book of Genesis was written, when such science as there was held the concept of a flat earth. There they were, in one moment remarking on how dry the moon was, and in the next, reading of how the waters above and the waters beneath had been walled off.

    One of the most marvelous moments of that contemporary experience was described in stately imagery that just did not fit. The moment deserved a more appropriate religious text. Yet it came to us with all the awe of something wise, something resonant of our origins, even though it really was not. The old metaphors were taken as factual accounts of creation. Modern cosmology had left that whole little kindergarten image of the universe far, far behind, but, as an illustration of popular misconception, the metaphors of the Bible, which were not intended as fact, were spoken by men who believed that they were to millions who also believed that these metaphors were factual.

    The third function of a traditional mythology is to validate and support a specific moral order, that order of the society out of which that mythology arose. All mythologies come to us in the field of a certain specific culture and must speak to us through the language and symbols of that culture. In traditional mythologies, the notion is really that the moral order is organically related to or somehow of a piece with the cosmic order.

    ~ Joseph Campbell, Thou Art That
     
  2. KingCheetah

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    If we were all traveling at the speed of light in a spacecraft of some sort time would stand absolutely still in our reality (time dilation) ~ the closer you move toward light speed (even traveling in a passenger jet) time slows to some degree. Of course even though the amount time slows on an airliner is measured in the billionths of a second, it is something that has been calculated and proven using sophisticated atomic clocks. So describing ‘God Speed’ as light speed really allows an infinite number of possibilities in the ‘days’ of creation because at the speed of light time is not moving (and this is scientific fact). However I feel strongly that the authors wrote this as being a typical 24 hour day in which God swept his mighty hand through the heavens and created all that we experience in 'god like' fashion.

    Very interesting though…

    :)
     
  3. Rashmon

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    Well, it is an allegory, after all...
     
  4. mr_gootan

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    (Christian) scientists did a study on metaphor v. historical narrative.

    Study found here
     
  5. Doctor Robert

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    The simplest explanation would be that the authors wrote what they knew... which was very little.

    Here is the Wikipedia entry on creation beliefs, which is very interesting. You can see all the parallels between different cultures and how they all reflect a view of the world that they were familiar with, just like Genesis.

    I especially like the Hindu alignment of creationism with evolution.
     
  6. giddyup

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    This reminds me of the story about Marvin Barnes' first trip with the Spirits of St. Louis after he had dropped out of Providence College.

    He saw the 1:07 PM EST departure and saw the 12:46 PM CST arrival and hesitated about boarding the plane because he didn't want to fly on "no time machine."
     
  7. mateo

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    I recall in a Western Theology class at Vandy going over aramaic - to - greek - to- latin translation errors, and the biggest one was the term "sacred young woman".

    It became "virgin" in Greek.

    Yoiks!!!!

    Joseph, you dog........:D
     

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