Kilmar Abrego Garcia will not be returned to the US

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.. lol right it's liberals that are causing chaos and not the guy whos raiding people's houses without a search warrant or the guy whos changing tariff policy every day inflicting massive damage to the economy

Sincerely you're one of the dumbest morons on these forums only behind @Salvy

 

@tinman watching videos about disney having non-white actors

 

I looked up Joe Manchin in a different thread. Good thing no one cares about his terrible opinions now that he's out of office

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cwynj7jq2deo.amp

Manchin says he hopes President Trump would also "open his arms up" and work with Democrats and Independents, but he clearly believes Democrats would do better with the electorate by working to get things done, rather than working to attack the president at every turn.

Indeed, the most striking thing about our conversation is how he doesn't hold back on criticism of his former party.

Take, for example, the case of Kilmar Ábrego García, a 29-year-old from El Salvador who was deported back to El Salvador last month after a governmental error and an immigration judge previously saying he should remain in the US.

"The Democrats are saying, 'what a horrible situation.'...They're making more of a case out of this one person who was an illegal immigrant being sent out of the country that could have been tied to a gang…if I'm a Republican strategist, I am going to keep quiet and just let you all go on."

Ábrego García denies that he was a part of a gang - and the Trump administration hasn't provided any evidence to establish that he was. And, in our conversation, Manchin was also clear that Ábrego García should have had due process and that any attacks on the authority of America's judicial system should not be tolerated.

But, in Manchin's view, many of Trump's actions in the early days of this second term are not as objectionable to many Americans as they might be to Democratic officials in Washington.

"He's doing exactly what he said. People shouldn't be all upset," Manchin told me. "The people who are upset right now lost. This is the system."

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Rather than focus on immigration, he suggests, Democrats should focus on the biggest threat to America, the country's outsized debt. It could be an opportunity for them.

"We're 36 trillion dollars in debt. There's no way that we can handle this" Manchin told me. "If the Democrats wanted to reposition themselves, why don't they do it on fiscal policy? Do you ever hear anybody talking about balancing our budget, fiscal policy, living with our means?"

And he has concrete solutions he's keen to suggest for America's calcified political system. Term limits for a start.

"I believe the president should be one, six-year term, Katty. A president should never have to worry about getting re-elected. All they should do is their job."

Manchin also thinks members of Congress should be restricted to 12 years in office, and that Supreme Court justices should have terms of 18 years instead of their current lifetime appointments. It's something many younger Democratic politicians might well agree with as they look at the aging ranks of their party.

Term limits, however, would require congressional approval - from the same elderly members of Congress who are unlikely to vote themselves out of a job.

Democrats aren't in a mood to work with Trump, tackling the debt is on the back burner, term limits aren't likely to happen, but I find Manchin's observations valuable not because they're going to succeed but because they are the unfiltered recommendation of someone with a unique position in American politics.

He is a one-time Democrat who repeatedly managed to get Trump country to vote him into office.

 

I don't give a **** about Kilmar.

I do give a **** about a sitting President openly and flagrantly violating an order from the SCOTUS - in a blatant effort to undermine the US Constitution.

 

As soon as he is "sprung", there would be a hearing as required by the SCOTUS and he would likely be deported to somewhere else. This isn't about Garcia, it is about the sitting President openly defying the ruling of the SCOTUS in an effort to eliminate any checks or balances on his power -- right now some think it is cute, but they will not feel that way when someone like AOC or Fetterman, or another "classist" democrat with populist appeal comes into office and decides to follow the foot steps of Trump and even expand his/her power more so.

 

He is married to a US citizen. While that doesn't guarantee a card, he shouldn't be deported unless he committed a crime. He should have never been deported and the administration has stated as much.

The crux of this whole conversation is the belief that a vague SCOTUS ruling somehow has a right to violate a foreign country's sovereignty. SCOTUS does not have executive authority and its an extremely dangerous position to let this be the norm.

Bukele has repeatedly said no. Move on. Or keep talking about it instead of addressing real problems ... like finding a respectable Democrat candidate for 2028.
Side note: AOC does not have a populist appeal.

 

I actually don't disagree with Joe Manchin's reform opinions. I can't say if I think the exact years he put in the interview are the right mix, but that is the type of reform I would suggest as well. Term limiting everyone and breaking the re-election madness would be a huge help to the country. Our election cycles make out political system very ineffective and unstable in the modern world.

 

First - I am not even weighing in on whether they should or should not deport him. I don't really care at the macro level as long as proper procedure as required by the court is followed.

Second - the SCOTUS ruling isn't really vague. Those that do not like the ruling have tried to make it vague.

Third - yes, AOC does have populist appeal, she has a cult of personality about her. You may not see it or like it, and it may not appeal to you - but she certainly does and has since she first received attention. That does not mean it will lead her anywhere - but at some point, with the wealthy inequity the way it is - there will be someone that is a populist that will blame the ultra wealthy and the government as it is for the problems in society and the doors the Trump administration has open up, will be just the start of what happens .... and the same people that think it is funny that Trump has defied the SCOTUS won't think it is funny when it is a near Marxist doing it.

 

He figured the math part to make election logistics work.

You can't have 3 year House terms along with 4-6 year because it doesn't overlap well with presidential cycles.

I guess 3-6-9 would work somewhat, but is it just me or do people hate alternating odd/even years, and odd numbers seems harder to mentally track? Olympics and leap year is even-yeared.

 

While I hate most of Manchin`s views, I am 100% down with term limits. The need to straddle the fence between doing your job and trying to stay electable in the next race makes for poor results. As you mentioned I am not sure about the number of years. I would prefer the President to do one term of 5 years, SCOTUS at 20 years and Congress 2 terms at 3 years each. I would also add that you can't work for us if you're a felon and if you are charged while serving you have to leave and resolve your issues and cant be part of the team during that period.

I think they forget they are working on our behalf and tend to overstay their welcome and become part of the problem.

 

I will say AOC has grown on me, I dont think she would ever be the leader, but Dems need more people with her passion, she is young, attractive and gives as good as she takes. She is very good at debating and should be a main cog in the machine. The days of Shumer are gone, people have short memories, dont listen to Legacy news. The tour her and Bernie are doing is exceptional, Bernie (IMO) is the opposite of Shumer..........the old timer still has a pair of lungs and can fire people up. trump has flipped the script in politics, he is a POS but he knows how to marker himself and his cause, even if everything that comes out of his mouth is a lie, he has made the gop his b**** and flipped the script on how you can act................tell everyone there a victim and he will save the day, even though that light at the end of the tunnel may be a train headed right for us

 

huh huh, huh huh huh

 

I don't mind AOC taking a bigger role. Dems also need more voices that can appeal to the younger male crowd without giving handouts or pity points to their lower performance in college or finding new jobs.

 

There are issues with AOC for sure - any other era in American politics and she would be DOA. However - her more liberal positions, her age and lack of inroads with the Democratic establishment mean very little in 2025. She can go a long way with her charisma, social media savvy and willingness to debate and relate to younger women. As for the issue of men - it is a real concern for Democrats coming off the last few elections. However I do think that AOC will do far better with men than Harris did. She is far more charming and personable, and she has less woke baggage - and has been positioning herself as the economic crusader, which may help her with minority men and unions.

The Democrats do need stronger young male politicians - Booty Juice is a very talented politician, but he isn't going to light a fire under working class men or men with an undergraduate degree. The Democrats need to realize that a lot of well-educated women are choosing to marry poorly educated men. There are a number of reasons for that - some of them as simple as power dynamics and the pool..... some of it has to do with how well educated men view masculinity compared to other groups of people.

 

A close friend of mine's home was raided a few weeks ago. They snatched him up and had him sitting in jail for a day. No warrants were provided. Some of this took place under Biden as well as the previous Trump and Obama administrations but it wasn't to this extent. He's a legal citizen from Burkina Faso. Works as an educator and nurse here in the states. He also spent some time in Gaza and did some work there before he had to flee after Israel began targeting hospital workers and volunteers.

We think this is the reason why he was raided. Needless to say, there's no love lost for any of these so called politicians and establishment...

 

When that Tennessee law enforcement officer alleged Garcia was trafficking illegal immigrants, why didn't he do anything?

 

Sanctuary State?