the lesson one learns from this is obvious. lets treat immigrants to the united states the same way europe deals with immigrants. put em in ghettos give them no way to get out and close up any opportunities for them to live a decent life.
That might be a good argument, if they had not already shown Mohammed in a previous episode of the same show. They edited the more recent episode because of the violence in Europe following the publishing of the now infamous political cartoons. They backed down from the extremists that reacted to publishing images of Mohammed with violence. They were listening to the Jihadists, not Muslims like yourself. So, the Jihadists won, and you got a nice side effect out of it.
That is not the way Europe treats immigrants. It is the way some countries in Europe treat immigrants. Spain just recently had an amnesty program which they enacted, and took other measures to help them assimilate, and grant them rights.
Nobody thinks of themselves as evil. Evil people are usually convinced that they are doing what is nescessary; what is justified. The problem is with the certainty of their rightousness because there is no universal truth.
And most of the world is at odds with itself, apparently. Doesn't seem like all these universal truths are helping much.
hmmm....well you haven't seen both of us in the same place at the same time, now HAVE you?!?! Plus I just realized that your responses never change. Either these aren't 'REAL' Muslims or 'its their culture' or 'its the West's fault.' I can read the article, insert your shallow responses in my head and save a lot of typing time. What's the commonality, FB? All of these things are done in the name of Islam. They don't say 'we're doing this because our culture demands it.' I hardly think its libel when these people claim to be enacting their Islamic faith. Sure, YOU can sit on the outside and say 'well that's not Islam.' but does that mean there is no connection. What if it is the way Islam is taught in that culture? Does that mean there is no connection to Islam? I find that a spurious defense. And he has gone out of his way to state he is not saying ALL or even MOST Muslims do these things. OTOH you and creepyboyfloyd et al immediately label HIM an islamophobe, lol. It seems ironic that you MISlabel him and then cry about being labelled. When in fact you don't even come into the picture unless you're what you term a 'nut.' That there are a lot of instances where self proclaimed Muslims are nuts (your words) is not gwayneco's fault, nor is it an insult to you unless you're one of the nuts (which I doubt or you wouldn't call them nuts). The defense of 'these are REAL Muslims' is a bit too convenient and the offhanded dismissal/namecalling of those who examine these incidents as racist/xenophobes/islamophobes is both insulting and untrue. Also, is it your position then that the people who 'riot because of a cartoon,' committ suicide bombings, practice ritual killings, and the other incidents described in gwanyeco's threads are 'nuts?'
television shows and so on have the right to show what they want and what they dont want just as much as people have the same freedom to choose and do what they want
That's the thing, you don't see the difference. You can’t identify between the religion and the cultural thought process. Your culture obviously develops around your belief system, but it does not mean the culture is representative of the religion. Plus, personally I don't think 'honor killings' are cultural either. It' was just a case of a crazy man.
I never said they didn't. I was only challenging Jackfruit's reasoning. If Comedy Central did not want to show Mohammed in deference to the beliefs of moderate Muslims, then the would not have shown him in an earlier episode of South Park. Since they did show the prophet in an earlier episode of South Park (one that aired before the hullabaloo over the political cartoons) but edited him out of the most recent episode, it is only logical to assume that they caved to the pressure from the nuts who did/threaten violence over the cartoons in Europe, aka the Jihadists. None of that has anything to do with the rights of a television show (btw, the creators of the show had Mohammed in the show, it was the network that took him out).
first, i'm sure these so called "jihadists" are not even watching comedy central, so they dont care whats shown and whats not second, no matter what they (comedy central) have the freedom to do what they want whether you agree with it or not
Just like they didn't care about a certain Dutch cartoon? I don't think anyone was arguing otherwise.
your 1st point: yeah i m sure they're all watching comedy central 24/7, i heard the chappelle show reruns are their favorite your 2nd point: if nobody was arguing that, there is no argument here there, comedy central can do what they want and they dont owe anybody an explanation
The Jihadists are not rabid consumers of Danish newspapers either. Someone that is sympathetic to their cause sees something like this and passes it along to some radical imam who translates it, possibly embellishes a bit (as with the Danish cartoons), and stirs up trouble. It has nothing to do with their viewing habits. You just aren't getting it. The explanation is self-evident. Comedy Central has bowed to the pressure from the Jihadists. Of course they have the right to do so, nobody has ever argued that, and there have been several posts that acknowledge that. I don't know why you got so hung up on the rights of the network. The point is that they have thrown away their integrity and the trampled the wishes of the artists that made the show by caving in to the scum that caused the violence before. That is how they handed a victory to the Jihadists.
