Kidnapped American Reporter Jill Carroll Freed

My first reply you quoted was sarcastic. Your reply to adeel, was a serious reply basically calling him a terrorist. That's not "really cool."

 

I see this is going to the D&D. I have to say though that adeel is right. The woman herself said that they never did her any harm, so you were jumping to conclusions in suggesting she was raped. And, I can only think of one example of a rape of an American that made the news here -- the female soldier that was captured during the actual war that we rescued from a hospital. Given that sexual propriety is such a big deal to devout Muslims, I think it is no small think to accuse them of such transgressions with no evidence. And, it is no surprise nor offense to give them the benefit of the doubt on such a count given that cultural disposition.

 

Considering that she said that she wasn't harmed or threatened (and she said this after being in safe custody and free), how is it giving the kidnappers "the benefit of the doubt ?"

Open your eyes my friend. Adeel's position here is not the one that's "very telling."

 

please don't discount her treatment




i apologize to anyone i may have offended this subject makes me very angry and you should never post when angry.

again i am sorry.

 

Jill Carroll was indeed not harmed compared to other hostages that had their neck sliced. I'm going to guess it was no picnic, and she was indeed harmed and threatened in some relative manner. Her transport was abushed and translator killed in front of her. The terrorist probably pointed their guns at her and dragged her to their hideout. Then she was kept in a small room with no outside contact. She also seemed very distressed in the videos. The duress from being held against your will and not knowing your fate may be the norm in the ME, but it's a bit different here in America.

 

That's true. We had video evidence they made her cry. To be serious, I'm sure her imprisonment was no picnic. She likely feared for her life and for good reason. But, you got people's backs up by saying she was probably raped. That's a different thing. And, there's no indication that any such thing happened.* If anything did happen, I don't see how it could compare with the Abu Ghraib scandal (to get back to adeel's allusion).

* I will allow for the possibility that she was raped but, for the sake of her privacy, she does not want to publicly disclose it.

 

i should have said "could have been..."

 

Fair enough.

 

Obviously it was no picnic. It was undoubtedly some of the worst days of her life and I'm sure the elation she is feeling from being released is unreal. But in regards to the question of being harmed and threatened, I'll take her word over yours.

Isn't that what we do in Guantanamo? Yes, I'm sure a lot of the people we have there have terrorist ties and deserve the alleged torture that they are receiving. But I'm sure quite a few of them are probably innocent people just like Jill Carroll.

 

I take the French are Wrong and (gay) for my jump to conclusion for the day.

 

because i dont support people throwing all sorts of accusations at a group of people.

Generalizing even criminals is pretty pathetic, sure they may chop off heads, but your baseless statements are just making sentiments worse for people who already hate not only extremists but anyone in that general area.

she coulda been raped, sure... but have tehre been any reports of rape in that area?
And more than likely if she was kidnapped by an islamic extremist, they would be super extreeme not to have extra mariatil relations.

not saying that she didnt go through alot, ofcourse she has. being kidnapped is prolly a b****. that said, ima go make fun of noobs again.

 

EAT IT!

http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/04/01/carroll.statement/index.html

During my last night in captivity, my captors forced me to participate in a propaganda video. They told me they would let me go if I cooperated. I was living in a threatening environment, under their control, and wanted to go home alive. I agreed.

Things that I was forced to say while captive are now being taken by some as an accurate reflection of my personal views. They are not. The people who kidnapped me and murdered Alan Enwiya are criminals, at best. They robbed Alan of his life and devastated his family. They put me, my family and my friends -- and all those around the world, who have prayed so fervently for my release -- through a horrific experience. I was, and remain, deeply angry with the people who did this.

 

so she was tortured!

it's amazing how the D&D people have some sort of pathological need to always be D&D people, no matter the setting. they have to inflame, they have to take the bait, they have to villify the other side, they have to take everything to the extreme, no matter the forum or subject. it's crazy.

 

So let me get this right... there is an element in this world that think it is worse to rape a woman than to cut someone's head off?

 

oh boy

 

Drink more punch everyone.

Jesus.

Glad she's alive and free. All the political stuff can be pounded up a hippo's ass for all I care.

 

Well actually the interview where she stated she was not harmed by her captors- the statement was made to the Iraqi Islamic Party (IIP) tv station after she was released. I don't understand how anyone can say she was coerced under a tv interview by a legit political party. This party is an enemy of Al-Quaeda, and Zarqawi has openly condemmed this party.

I wouldn't put it past the US government spin doctors and the Office of Coercion and Thought Control to make Carroll change her story.

 

During the first Gulf War the Discovery (or some channel like that ) did a show on the POWs and one was a women. She implied that she was raped but said that it was surreal and, being all smelly and dirty, couldn't imagine why they would want to be with her. So, clearly there are people over there capable of rape. I wouldn't be suprised if some of the male prisoners were raped as well. After all, it's a VERY sexually represive society and many men over then NEVER get to have sex (unless they get married). So Western women who are prisoners and "enemies of Islam" are very appealing...

From The New York Daily News"

"The scars on Lynch's battered body and the medical records indicate she was anally raped, and "fill in the blanks of what Jessi lived through on the morning of March 23, 2003," Bragg wrote."

"A pretty, blond 20-year-old from the hollers of West Virginia, Lynch knew what could happen to her if she fell into Iraqi hands. A female pilot captured in the Persian Gulf War had been raped"