To bring up Jason Terry again: I don't think he knew much, but Tim Legler highlighted the Mavs rumor today, saying Diop, George and "maybe a Jerry Stackhouse or a Jason Terry". <object width="440" height="361"><param name="movie" value="http://sports.espn.go.com/broadband/player.swf?mediaId=3219563"/><param name="wmode" value="transparent"/><param name="allowScriptAccess" value="always"/><embed src="http://sports.espn.go.com/broadband/player.swf?mediaId=3219563" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" wmode="transparent" width="440" height="361" allowScriptAccess="always"></embed></object> Terry has a big contract ... makes about $8-$9 million, but is signed for 4 more years after this one. Because of the length of the deal, moving him for a Rafer or James + assets might be attractive to them. Of course, I've jumped about 4 steps ahead (assuming Dallas is leading this Kidd trade talk and that Terry would be involved). If you're sticking with T-Mac, I still think you want a low-turnover, high FG% point guard who doesn't have to run the show. 9 assists for T-Mac Monday night... 1 for Rafer. Mike James was supposed to be that, but instead of a poor man's version he has looked like a bankrupt Terry. Tough call though because T-Mac could be on the bubble in the offseason if the Rockets fall flat ... but I think you have to give the T-Mac/Yao combo the very best chance.
Jason Terry would be an absolutely perfect fit. Even if we have to give up one of our 3 rookies to New Jersey I think its something to consider. (possibly wind up sending Francis to Dallas, I don't see Cuban giving us something without getting something from us) 40+% from the 3 doesn't command the ball brings intensity and speed already acclimated to sharing minutes with other guards
Good points also. I just think you're under the faulty assumption that any Kidd deal would be some easy 2-for-1 deal or something along those lines. You make it sound as if dealing for Kidd would be some easy to negotiate task. Kidd makes nearly $20 million a year. We're talking about a potential 4/5/6-for-1 trade that would undoubtedly unbalance the roster and leave us relatively thin at nearly every position. I wish that hypothetically it would be as simple as swapping Kidd for Rafer but clearly it's not. Plus, it's not like at 24-20 we're some destitute team with no chance of pulling it together and making things right. Going into the Utah game we were 9-2 in our last 11 games. It seems like this team is finally starting to "get it". Is such a drastic change really that necessary? And by drastic, I mean essentially trading half of the team? Kidd is in the process of quitting on his own team. I think the question you really have to ask yourself is: is ransacking what team chemistry we already have with our present group really worth risking to take on a $20 million dollar gamble like Kidd? Does this kind of move put us over the top? Can all of these players coexist without clashing? I think there's too many "what if's" involved in any type of Kidd scenario. I don't care that he's openly being shopped, he's going to a costly acquisition. He's too old, makes too much money and has too many potential holes in his game to run the effective halfcourt offense that we need with Yao being the focal point of this team, IMO.
I definitely agree Ziggy ... the more I think about it though, the more I doubt Cuban would part with him. I don't know how they could match Kidd's salary, but given Cuban's track record on deals, I'm sure he'll give up scraps. Snyder (expiring), Rafer-or-James plus Landry-or-Scola for Terry? As for Kidd, this Beacon Journal report this morning says the Cavs will pursue Kidd. http://www.ohio.com/news/top_stories/14628912.html This Denver Fox report denies adamantly that the Nuggets are interested in Kidd. http://www.myfoxcolorado.com/myfox/...n=1&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=3.2.1
Well, based J Stackhouse/Terry + Diop + Devean George for Kidd rumor, We'd have to give up somebody with trade value similar to Stack and Terry, plus a okay post player and another rotation player and draft pick(s) for the offer to be considered. Which means: Battier + Scola + Bonzi ? (salaries don't work) Or maybe Battier + Scola + Rafer/James? That means we're gonna take on salary... Personally, I think it'll ultimately cost us too much to bring in Kidd (a 35 year old open court point who isn't exactly a phenomenal shooter). And you know... PGs need time to fit in. That means... We should tank the season for some help in the lottery?
Damn, it's frustrating to hear about guys like Kidd who want to move and know that the Rockets have zero chance of getting him. The Rockets desperately need an upgrade at the PG spot and it's just not looking like it's going to happen this season. Crap.
Even granting that there is still almost half a season left, and 24-20 isn't horrible, and teams like Portland, Golden State, Lakers, Denver could just as easily play .500 or less ball the rest of the way as continue on their current stretch.... This is not a championship caliber team. That's one thing about Les. People in retrospect may hate deals like the Barkley trade, or the Pippen signing. Now we have the missing JVG threads. Over the summer it was the can't believe we got Francis back threads. It's like people forget what they saw when it was right in front of them. Right now, we have a chance to see, on a daily basis, how good this current team really is. Am I excited about 9-3, especially considering some of those wins came without T-Mac? Yes. Of course. But our wins were Orlando, NYK, Washington, NYK, Minnesota, Spurs, Seattle, Seattle, Portland. Our losses were New Orleans, Utah, and Philly. We probably won one we shouldn't have and definitely lost one we shouldn't have. Basically, we beat pretty much teams who either are clearly some of the worst in the league, or at best around our talent level. This is NOT a championship team. Would I risk upsetting the balance by making a trade involving multiple players who don't even currently play (Snyder, Francis, James) or are having trouble fitting into the new system on a daily basis (Head, Bonzi) for Jason Kidd? Of course. Who wouldn't? I'm probably overestimating the attractiveness of that type of deal to NJ. BUT, I just can't help looking some past deals (AI last year...though I guess Andre Miller isn't chopped liver) and at some of the other teams potentially pursuing Kidd, like Cleveland. If it came down to what crappy deal to take, at least the Rockets are in the other conference.
Is a T-mac for Kidd trade really that bad of an option? You'd get a 35 year old Kidd in exchange for a 28 year-old player with a 35 year old body. The Rockets have Yao Ming, who has many years of good basketball left and his presence could extend the careers of guys like Kidd or Cassell. Sam I Am has no business being a Clipper. He's too good for them.
Avery was very high on Mike. I think I remember him saying that back in 04-05 they gameplanned for Mike instead of Tracy or Yao. I think James and Scola could possibly get it done. Of course, we would like to throw in Snyder as well in order to avoid the LT, but I'd keep him if we had to. Also, a pick or maybe a prospect like Novak or Head, who always seems to play great against the Mavs, cold definitely be thrown in.
You never know unless the Rockets asks the Nets. I am sure they would take T-Mac to play along Carter and maybe the Rockets can include Rafer.
This is an excellent point, Championship caliber team. I would trade anyone outside of Tmac, Yao, and Battier to get Kidd. Trading any of the prior 3 would put us no where near the championship we seek. So if it takes, Rafer, Steve, MJ, Luther, and Mutumbo to get Kidd, I would do it in a heart beat. I would even give them a number 1 in 2009 to get him. We're drafting no better than 18 anyway.
I would trade Tmac, Battier, and Rafer for Kidd and Jefferson. All day any day, I would toss in Kirk for good measure.
What's the point to have kidd when you have no finishers/scorers except Yao. Who will Kidd pass the ball to except Yao? Hayes? Battier? Head? Wells? And Kidd is not a good jump shooters himself. I bet 3 guys will surround Yao on defense if we have Kidd instead of T-mac (assuming we have the very same remaining roaster).
